Archive of amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi started on Wed Jan 23 18:08:52 EET 1991 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jan 23 23:50:00 1991 Received: from gauss.math.fsu.edu ([128.186.122.30]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80997>; Wed, 23 Jan 1991 23:46:06 +0200 Received: by gauss.math.fsu.edu (5.65/31gauss) id AA03386; Wed, 23 Jan 91 16:45:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 1991 23:45:17 +0200 From: Joe Kiniry Message-Id: <9101232145.AA03386@gauss.math.fsu.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: X11 availability I have the official spec and price sheets of the only published X11 available for the Amiga. This version of X is made by a company called GfxBase and runs as a standard process(es) under 1.3. I will post all of the information I have here tommorrow (Friday) so that everyone has this information. I looks to me like they have done a good package and that it works well with the different ethernet and decnet cards on the market, but sadly, it is quite expensive...though the information does mention a student discount is available. Someone will have to contact GfxBase for additional information. My info will follow in 24 hours. Joseph R. Kiniry (Amiga/UNIX/X is MY bag!) e-mail: kiniry@gauss.math.fsu.edu From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jan 24 12:22:51 1991 Received: from PP.funet.fi ([128.214.1.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <81098>; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 12:14:57 +0200 X400-Received: by mta PP.funet.fi in /PRMD=funet/ADMD=fumail/C=fi/; Relayed; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 12:14:21 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 12:13:37 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/; Relayed; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 12:24:00 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/; Relayed; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 12:10:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 1991 12:10:43 +0200 X400-Originator: bsyme%computer-science.strathclyde.ac.uk@ean-relay.ac.uk X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=gb/;<9101241010.aa23180@baird.cs.str] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Suitable comp... From: bsyme@computer-science.strathclyde.ac.uk Message-ID: <9101241010.aa23180@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Suitable compilers.. ..I know this list isn't really fully up & running yet, but anyway.. I've been poking around with the X source on my machine, and boy is that code UGLY. I'm sure macros are a nice way of generating fast code, but I'd suggest that someone out there rip them out asap, because I can see them being the biggest portability problem.. anyway.. Having just recieved my Lattice 5.10a upgrade (which allows macros of the required vastness) off we went and found a suitable candidate for a stress test, mfbfillsp.c I think... Anyway, it would appear that the substitution order for lattice macros is different to that of cc, et al. This problem occurs when one macro is passed the name of another macro, for later use.. # define HUGE_MACRO(s,d,op) op(s,d) # define ANDIT(s,d) (s&d) # define ORIT(s,d) (s|d) ... a = HUGE_MACRO(x,y,ANDIT); ... Lattice dies on this because it tries to expand the ANDIT token in the a=... line as a macro before expanding HUGE_MACRO... Anyone any thoughts on ways around this..? Soory if this explanation is none too clear, 'twas late last night and this feels too early in the morining.. zzzzzzzzzz. Brian. From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jan 24 18:40:29 1991 Received: from kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ([129.237.1.10]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80989>; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 18:32:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 1991 18:31:00 +0200 From: "Mark Gooderum - Univ. of Kansas ACS" Subject: Suitable compilers... To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: X-Envelope-to: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi X-VMS-To: IN%"amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi" >Having just recieved my Lattice 5.10a upgrade (which allows macros of the >required vastness) off we went and found a suitable candidate for a stress >test, mfbfillsp.c I think... Anyway, it would appear that the substitution >order for lattice macros is different to that of cc, et al. This problem >occurs when one macro is passed the name of another macro, for later use.. ># define HUGE_MACRO(s,d,op) op(s,d) ># define ANDIT(s,d) (s&d) ># define ORIT(s,d) (s|d) >... > a = HUGE_MACRO(x,y,ANDIT); >... >Lattice dies on this because it tries to expand the ANDIT token in the a=... >line as a macro before expanding HUGE_MACRO... Anyone any thoughts on ways >around this..? Lattice (and MSC) seem to have some dependancies on the order of macro declaration. Try moving the definition of HUGE_MACRO to after ANDI and ORIT. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark Gooderum Only... \ Good Cheer !!! Academic Computing Services /// \___________________________ University of Kansas /// /| __ _ Bix: markgood \\\ /// /__| |\/| | | _ /_\ makes it Bitnet: MARKV@UKANVAX \/\/ / | | | | |__| / \ possible... Internet: markv@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amiga-x11-owner Fri Jan 25 01:30:06 1991 Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ([128.174.2.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80991>; Fri, 25 Jan 1991 01:22:34 +0200 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02377 (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi); Thu, 24 Jan 91 17:21:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 1991 01:21:37 +0200 From: "J.B. Nicholson" Message-Id: <9101242321.AA02377@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: please add me to amiga x11 list Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu Please add "jeffo@uiuc.edu" to the Amiga X11 list. Thanks! Jeff -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Earth destroyed by solar flare. Film at eleven" - The last nightly news.| +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | jeffo@uiuc.edu (Internet) These opinions are mine, that's all.| From amiga-x11-owner Fri Jan 25 02:29:07 1991 Received: from gauss.math.fsu.edu ([128.186.122.30]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80992>; Fri, 25 Jan 1991 02:23:18 +0200 Received: by gauss.math.fsu.edu (5.65/31gauss) id AA05992; Thu, 24 Jan 91 19:11:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 1991 02:11:19 +0200 From: Joe Kiniry Message-Id: <9101250011.AA05992@gauss.math.fsu.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: X11r4 from GfxBase This is the information I have on X from GfxBase for the Amiga: X Window System(tm) Version 11 release 3 for the Amiga Computer from GfxBase Release 3.1D Product Description X11 for the Amiga is an implementation of the X Window System Version 11 from the MIT X Window Consortium. The X Window System was developed to provide a network transparent and operating system independent environment for the running of application programs (clients). The X Window System has become a recognized international standard, supported on nearly all types of engineering and professional workstations. The X Window System is based on a client/server model so applications may be used on the user's desktop computer (Xserver) while executing on remote host computers. The X Window display server from GfxBase gives users the capability to access these host applications from their Amiga computer. R4Programs: bitmap, xfd, xcalc, xmag, xkill, xrefresh, xhost, xlsfonts, xwd, xsetroot, xwud, xclock, xmodmap, xprop, xwininfo, xset, xrdb, appres, listres, xedit, xlsatoms, xlsclients, xlswins, xclipboard, xcutsel, xstdcmap, xeyes, ico, muncher, plaid, puzzle, xev, maze, xlogo, xgc. Servers: Xamiga (monochrome server), Xamiga.clr (color server) Window Managers: twm, olwm Portable Bitmap programs: X11 Release 4 pbm, pgm, ppm, pnm utilities, plus ifftopbm and pbmtoiff Bitmaps: release 4 Bitmap Files standard Printers: Amiga Xpr uses the standard Amiga printer device technology which supports more than 50 different types of printers. Black and white or color. Fonts: The X11 Release 4 standard fonts are included. Bdftosnf and mkfontdir are provided to convert bdf fonts to Amiga snf for local font directories. Displays: NTSC to 720x482 (60hz), PAL (704x568 50hz) Overscan, genlock and interlace supported. A2024/Viking 1 1008x800(60hz),1008x1024(50hz) Super Screens to 1008x1024 scrollable on smaller display Productivity screen - 640x480 60hz noninterlaced (640x960 interlaced) with WB2.0 and ECS chips. Two colors out of palette of 4096 can be selected. Cursor has two separately controlled colors. COLOR SERVER: 2,4,8,16,32 colors from 4096 selectable. A2024/Viking 1 - Four grey scales. Networks: Ameristar 3.0(tcp/ip)(ethernet) and DECnet(ethernet/serial) for remote connections, Amiga Messages for local connections. (TSSnet from Syndesis provides the DECnet copability). Input Devices: Standard Amiga 2 button mouse, or optical 3 button mouse. Tablets, trackballs, International keyboards. Compatability: A1000,A2000,A500,A2500,A3000 model computers from Commodore. Coexists with native AmigaDOS Operating System (V1.3 or later), and works under Intuition in its own pull down screen. Resource Requirements Mass Storage: Complete system requires 14 megabytes (minimum 7) of hard disk or NFS partition. RAM: 1 megabyte of memory for Server and 640x400 2 color display. More RAM required for local clients. Availability: Now Price: $395 GfxBase 1881 Ellwell Dr. Milpitas, Ca. 95035 Tel: 408-262-1469 Fax: 408-262-8276 Usenet:boing!dale Bix:duck ***This document is dated 10/4/90, that is October 4th, 1990. I am sure that there is a more up to date sheet than what I have, but I just got this from Commodore about a month ago. On the reverse side is information about the Programmers Toolkit for the Amiga. I will send a copy of it out tomorrow. I also have a general price sheet dated September 7th, 1990 that I will also send out later. Note: I am note and employee of Commodore nor GfxBase, I am posting this solely for the benefit of this group. I will field questions through the group and through e-mail. I have used the Amiga 3000UX as well, so I will answer any questions thrown out. Joseph R. Kiniry e-mail: kiniry@gauss.math.fsu.edu From amiga-x11-owner Sat Jan 26 20:39:53 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <80994>; Sat, 26 Jan 1991 20:26:54 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Welcome to Amiga-X11! Message-Id: <91Jan26.202654eet.80994@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 1991 20:26:40 +0200 And the root said: "Let there be an Amiga-X11 maillinglist". And here it is! This is the official opening message of amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, which at the moment of writing has 120 members including the archive entry. The archive is accessable by ftp from nic.funet.fi as ~pub/amiga/x11/arc-amiga-x11. The same directory also holds other publicly available files related to X11 on the Amiga. For new, incoming files there is a ~pub/amiga/x11/incoming directory where you can ftp you contributions. Disk space is not a problem. Files related to the Amiga port of GCC (the Free Software Foundation's C compiler) are in the directory ~pub/amiga/gnu/gcc/port. As I suppose that not all of you have access to Usenet news, creating a comp.sys.amiga.x newsgroup is still premature. A future newsgroup for X on the Amiga would of course still be linked to the mailling list so those of you without news access have nothing to worry about. As we are 119 already I suppose we will be able to create a newsgroup for this purpose within a year. Included below is the output from the `help' command of mailserv@nic.funet.fi which you may want to read. Among other things it has information on how to unsubscribe from the list and how to get a list of the subscribers (the review command). So, once again, welcome to the list! -- Leonard Attached is the help file for mailserv. Note that there is additional help available with HELP . -------- MAILSERVER @ NIC.FUNET.FI *** This server is currently under developement, mentioned functions may or may not work. No guarantees - yet... Commands are processed case insensitive in most cases, some arguments may be case sensitive, but that is mentioned at each occurrence. (Commands with `*' in front aren't implemented completely, or at all.) Commands: HELP (no arguments) Lists this command summary. HELP Gives other (detailed) help. (Topics can be viewed with HELP HELP, and include all commands as well as some other items.) REPLY-TO return-mail-path If you don't trust your mailer... (Command aliases: REPLYTO, PATH) For our internal mailing lists, some of which are available for everybody, most aren't... SUBSCRIBE To join lists (Command aliases: SUBS, SUB, SIGNON) UNSUBSCRIBE To get out (Command aliases: UNSUB, SIGNOFF) LIST To see list of lists REVIEW To see members of list (Command alias: REV) Fileserver functions PARTSIZE Delivery partitioning mechanism. (Command alias: SIZE) ENCODER Delivery encoding option (Command alias: ENCODE) LOCATE Locate files by case insensitive (Command alias: FIND) regexp search. CHDIR Change default directory to new one. (Command alias: CD) PWD Show current default directory. (Also CHDIR without argument) ** COMMANDS FOR FILE RETRIVAL ARE BEING WORKED OUT... * /PDDIR system:directory-regexp otherargs * /PDGET system:filepath otherargs From amiga-x11-owner Sat Feb 9 18:42:34 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <80643>; Sat, 9 Feb 1991 18:29:20 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: To SANA or not to SANA, that is the ... Message-Id: <91Feb9.182920eet.80643@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 1991 18:29:09 +0200 Being on the NWG mailinglist I'm surprised to read on usenet that SANA development has stopped (according to Bruce Becker). Since no notice have been on NWG to this effect, but also no rebuttal either on NWG or usenet, I'd like to know what is actually happening. Why would anyone want to stop SANA? Dale, I think you're the man to answer this... -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Tue Feb 12 08:47:14 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <80641>; Tue, 12 Feb 1991 08:42:50 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: [cbmvax!boing!dale@uunet.UU.NET: SANA] Message-Id: <91Feb12.084250eet.80641@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 1991 08:42:40 +0200 (Note: Currently, the amiga-x11 list doesn't set up the Reply-To: field to be the list address... Please direct answers/followups to the list if appropriate... -- Leonard) Forwarded message: >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 1991 22:22:32 +0200 >From: cbmvax!boing!dale@uunet.UU.NET (Dale Luck) >To: uunet!nic.funet.fi!vinsci@uunet.UU.NET >Subject: SANA > >SANA development by Commodore themselves has not progressed since >I left in July. However I have continued to do some bug fixing and >spec writing since then. No new information has come out since >I guess everyone has had to work on real products instead of >architecture issues. >Fortunately there is atleast one program commercially out there >that does support SANA. Unfortunately it is my own X-Window System. >It supports the local domain interface that has been available to >all in the nwg since early last year. The NWG has indeed taken more >of a back burner status but has not been dropped. >Dale From amiga-x11-owner Tue Feb 12 20:40:56 1991 Received: from tut.fi ([128.214.1.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80659>; Tue, 12 Feb 1991 20:34:01 +0200 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by tut.fi with SMTP; Tue, 12 Feb 91 20:33:42 +0200 Received: from [130.133.2.81] by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (UNIDO-2.0.3.e) via EUnet for tut.fi id AA03846; Tue, 12 Feb 91 18:34:39 GMT Received: by methan.chemie.fu-berlin.de (/\@@/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.4) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 91 19:32 MET Received: by einoed.in-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.8) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 91 18:05 MEZ Received: by buchonia.rhoen.in-berlin.de (Smail3.1) at Tue, 12 Feb 91 16:27 MEZ Received: by rhoen.in-berlin.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.3) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 91 16:24 MET Message-Id: From: horke@rhoen.in-berlin.de (Bernhard Kroenung) Subject: Searching for sendmail/smtp for TCP/IP To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 12 Feb 1991 17:24:05 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Is there any PD-sendmail or smtp for the Commodore TCP/IP ??? Ciao Bernhard -- Bernhard Kroenung, Bahnhofstr. 8, D-W6408 Ebersburg/Rhoen, Germany +49 6656 386 horke@rhoen.in-berlin.de X.400 : kronung@jlug-gw.uni-giessen.dbp.de ... schalt` mich ab` before you go-go From amiga-x11-owner Wed Feb 13 01:31:16 1991 Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU ([128.32.133.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80756>; Wed, 13 Feb 1991 01:25:54 +0200 Received: from pixar.UUCP by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA08329; Tue, 12 Feb 91 15:22:00 -0800 Received: from icenine.pixar.com by pixar (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12319; Tue, 12 Feb 91 14:57:29 PST Received: by icenine.pixar.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA01540; Tue, 12 Feb 91 14:57:01 PST Date: Wed, 13 Feb 1991 00:57:01 +0200 From: pixar!sjk@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Scott J. Kramer) Message-Id: <9102122257.AA01540@icenine.pixar.com> To: rhoen.in-berlin.de!horke@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: Bernhard Kroenung's message of Tue, 12 Feb 1991 17:24:05 +0200 Subject: Searching for sendmail/smtp for TCP/IP From: ucbvax!rhoen.in-berlin.de!horke (Bernhard Kroenung) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 1991 17:24:05 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Is there any PD-sendmail or smtp for the Commodore TCP/IP ??? Running AmigaDOS or UNIX? Umm, isn't this somewhat off the purpose of this mailing list, which I understand is to discuss implementation of X on the Amiga. From amiga-x11-owner Wed Mar 13 21:43:12 1991 Received: from router.funet.fi ([128.214.6.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80701>; Wed, 13 Mar 1991 21:33:28 +0200 Received: from Finhutc.HUT.FI by router.funet.fi; Wed, 13 Mar 91 21:32 EET Received: from CMUVM.BITNET by Finhutc.HUT.FI (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7772; Wed, 13 Mar 91 21:33:01 EET Received: from CMUVM (32KKG6I) by CMUVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8169; Wed, 13 Mar 91 11:51:42 EST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1991 18:43:32 +0200 From: Jim Getzinger <32KKG6I@CMUVM.BITNET> Subject: Porting Libraries To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi X-Acknowledge-To: <32KKG6I@CMUVM> Message-Id: <91Mar13.213328eet.80701@nic.funet.fi> Hello all... I have successfully ported the X11R4 libraries over to my Amiga1000. The files are in SAS/C library format. I do have a few questions though: 1) Do we have any plan for implementing sockets? 2) What kind of TCP/IP implementations are there for the amiga? (not KA9Q NOS!) 3) Is anyone working on a server ? 4) Is this group still working? (no messages since Feb 12?) Thanks for any help. Jim Getzinger 32KKG6I@CMUVM.BITNET From amiga-x11-owner Thu Mar 14 04:42:45 1991 Received: from router.funet.fi ([128.214.6.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80705>; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 04:36:29 +0200 Received: from Finhutc.HUT.FI by router.funet.fi; Thu, 14 Mar 91 04:36 EET Received: from CMUVM.BITNET by Finhutc.HUT.FI (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8558; Thu, 14 Mar 91 04:36:27 EET Received: from CMUVM (32KKG6I) by CMUVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8918; Wed, 13 Mar 91 16:44:32 EST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1991 23:39:28 +0200 From: Jim Getzinger <32KKG6I@CMUVM.BITNET> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi X-Acknowledge-To: <32KKG6I@CMUVM> Message-Id: <91Mar14.043629eet.80705@nic.funet.fi> My apologies to everyone... I did not rewrite the libraries: I simply ported them straight over from the normal distribution set. I was unsure if anyone had successfully done this. My reason for posting my message was to ask the questions stated, so that I could modify these libraries accordingly. If someone would still like to have these libraries, I'm willing to post them on nic.funet.fi, but would prefer a more local (in the USA) site. Anyone willing to grant a few megs for a USA amiga-x11 port site? Jim Getzinger 32KKG6I@CMUVM.BITNET From amiga-x11-owner Thu Mar 14 20:14:54 1991 Received: from uunet.UU.NET ([137.39.1.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80700>; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 20:05:25 +0200 Received: from decwrl.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA10708; Thu, 14 Mar 91 13:05:00 -0500 Received: by uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA02440; Thu, 14 Mar 91 09:51:29 -0800 Received: by amiga.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA06322; Thu, 14 Mar 91 09:34:12 PST Received: from gfxbase.boing.com by boing.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA02504; Thu, 14 Mar 91 09:24:39 PST Received: by gfxbase.boing.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA00868; Thu, 14 Mar 91 09:33:32 PST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 19:33:32 +0200 From: decwrl!amiga!boing!dale@uunet.UU.NET (Dale Luck) Message-Id: <9103141733.AA00868@gfxbase.boing.com> To: pdx@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Ported X11 libraries Yes, they have been ported over by GfxBase. However they are part of a commercial package developed and supported by GfxBase. I see you are looking for a socket library now. If you have access to the SANA developer disk sent to nwg members a while back you will find a bsd like socket library. It only supports connections via AF_UNIX though (local domain). Jim, maybe it would be more expediant to post diffs or patch files instead of the entire source. Since this mailing list is for those working interested in a pd version of X11 for the Amiga, most members would have access to the original source from MIT. Dale Luck From amiga-x11-owner Thu Mar 14 21:53:38 1991 Received: from cs.hut.fi ([130.233.200.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80753>; Thu, 14 Mar 1991 21:46:23 +0200 Received: by cs.hut.fi (4.1/6.8/S-TeKoLa) id AA25698; Thu, 14 Mar 91 21:42:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1991 21:42:51 +0200 Message-Id: <9103141942.AA25698@cs.hut.fi> From: Jyrki Kuoppala Sender: jkp@cs.hut.fi To: decwrl!amiga!boing!dale@uunet.UU.NET Cc: pdx@uunet.UU.NET, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: Dale Luck's message of Thu, 14 Mar 1991 19:33:32 +0200 <9103141733.AA00868@gfxbase.boing.com> Subject: Ported X11 libraries Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. (This was on the amiga-x11 list, though I'm not sure what way it came there). > I see you are looking for a socket library now. If you have > access to the SANA developer disk sent to nwg members a while > back you will find a bsd like socket library. It only > supports connections via AF_UNIX though (local domain). Is this socket library freely distributable ? If not, I don't suppose it would do much good to the amiga X11 project. By the way, does anyone know about a device driver to run X over a SCSI interface ? That's what I'm eventually planning to do, use my Amiga as an X terminal to my pc532 running over SCSI. TCP/IP or another protocol (like dnet) would be fine. //Jyrki From amiga-x11-owner Fri Mar 15 13:59:33 1991 Received: from alfred.ccs.carleton.ca ([134.117.1.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80753>; Fri, 15 Mar 1991 13:52:00 +0200 Received: from latour.UUCP by alfred.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA20825; Fri, 15 Mar 91 06:48:46 EST Received: by Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca (4.1/smail2.5/91-02-17) id AA24464; Fri, 15 Mar 91 00:50:14 EST Message-Id: <9103150550.AA24464@Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca> From: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca (Michael Richardson) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1991 07:50:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jyrki Kuoppala "Ported X11 libraries" (Mar 14, 9:42pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.0 10/31/90) To: Jyrki Kuoppala Subject: Re: Ported X11 libraries Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi On Mar 14, 9:42pm, Jyrki Kuoppala wrote: } (This was on the amiga-x11 list, though I'm not sure what way it came there). We have an list 'amiga-slip' devoted to doing TCP/IP over things other than ethernet (not that this is terribly possibly on the Amiga either). amiga-slip-request@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca. It was active for a bit, but has died down recently. People are coding. } By the way, does anyone know about a device driver to run X over a } SCSI interface ? That's what I'm eventually planning to do, use my You'd really want to just do TCP/IP over SCSI. This would be a VERY usefull thing generally. } Amiga as an X terminal to my pc532 running over SCSI. TCP/IP or } another protocol (like dnet) would be fine. My Sun 3/60 is too slow to do graphics and real work. I'd like to do something similar. -- :!mcr!: | The postmaster never | So much mail, Michael Richardson | resolves twice. | so little time. HOME: mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca Bell: (613) 237-5629 Small Ottawa nodes contact me about joining ocunix.on.ca! From amiga-x11-owner Sat Mar 16 23:46:45 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <80810>; Sat, 16 Mar 1991 23:33:06 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: server-link/network Message-Id: <91Mar16.233306eet.80810@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1991 23:32:53 +0200 Since no really good network interface seems to be available at the moment (not even C-A's, and they've been debugging since last summer...), it might be useful to just run both the server and the client locally and use a simple (but very fast) exec message passing scheme to get the parts up. Hopefully something useful will show up in the meantime. I hear that a socket interface will be distributed in source format when it gets ready (TCP work underway, no dates of course, but UDP done). Since the X connection is handled in just one source file anyway, it will be fairly trivial to add other transports later. If you're working on a server, you might be able to put up a DNET stream to a unix machine running some bigger X clients. It will be slow, but probably enough for debugging the server. The smaller clients and demos are probably quite easy to port to amigadog. -- Leonard From AMIGA-X11-owner Wed Mar 20 13:54:56 1991 Received: from figbox.funet.fi ([128.214.6.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80831>; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 13:44:18 +0200 Received: from Finhutc.HUT.FI (MAILER@FINHUTC) by FIGBOX.FUNET.FI with PMDF#10212; Wed, 20 Mar 1991 11:37 EET Received: from EMBL-Heidelberg.DE (WILD@EMBL) by Finhutc.HUT.FI (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5774; Wed, 20 Mar 91 13:44:28 EET Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1991 13:37:00 +0200 From: David Wild Subject: Amiga X-11 binaries To: AMIGA-X11@NIC.FUNET.FI Message-id: X-Organization: European Molecular Biology Laboratory, Heidelberg. X-VMS-To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi X-Delivery-Notice: SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender. Hello, I'm new to this list. Does anyone know of archive sites for binaries of public domain programs ported to run under Amiga X-11? Thanks. David Wild From amiga-x11-owner Sun Mar 24 07:42:26 1991 Received: from engin.umich.edu ([141.212.66.22]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80643>; Sun, 24 Mar 1991 07:31:11 +0200 Received: from bb.engin.umich.edu by engin.umich.edu (5.64/1.34) id AA20032; Sun, 24 Mar 91 00:30:45 -0500 Received: by bb.engin.umich.edu (5.64/1.34) id AA07919; Sun, 24 Mar 91 00:30:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1991 07:30:42 +0200 From: gilgalad@engin.umich.edu Message-Id: <9103240530.AA07919@bb.engin.umich.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: X11R4 Cc: mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca Hi. I got a message stating that somebody had ported the X11R4 libraries to the amiga. I wish to obtain source/binaries. Also, has anybody worked on the server? Clients? What sucess? Where can stuff be FTPed from? Was the port of the libraries just a straight compile from the distribution? Any information is appreciated. Thanks, Ralph Ralph Seguin gilgalad@caen.engin.umich.edu 536 South Forest Apt. #915 gilgalad@zip.eecs.umich.edu Ann Arbor, MI 48104 (313) 662-4805 From amiga-x11-owner Sun Mar 24 10:13:27 1991 Received: from pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu ([131.252.20.103]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80644>; Sun, 24 Mar 1991 10:09:10 +0200 Received: from eecs.ee.pdx.edu (eecs.cs.pdx.edu) by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.14 id AA29143; Sun, 24 Mar 91 00:16:25 PST Received: from eecs.ee.pdx.edu by eecs.ee.pdx.edu (5.61/pdx-client-evision: 1.14 id AA00183; Sun, 24 Mar 91 00:15:58 -0800 From: bairds@eecs.ee.pdx.edu (Shawn L. Baird) Message-Id: <9103240815.AA00183@eecs.ee.pdx.edu> Subject: Proposal To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1991 10:15:57 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL1] Here's what I'd like to do: The major part of the X windows source code to be ported is the server. The most difficult among the server source code will be some sort of stream library. I would like to propose that we work on developing such a library. To make this library readily available to all languages it should be made a shared library. If we work carefully, authors should be able to work in any of the major C languages and a few of the PD ones. Everyone else should be able to compile the library with each C language. This doesn't call for that much work and both Lattice and Aztec support pragmas for library calls now. Personally, I prefer Aztec, even without 2.0 support and blink compatibility. Regardless, shared libraries are usuable by virtually all programmers. Now, my big problem about starting such a project is that there is a trememdous amount of work involved. I think an initial library should be for local connections only. Don't kid yourself about how much work it is, because it is a very large amount of work. After creating a shared stream library OS code needs to be written to handle it. The stream library must provide some of the following and more - - The ability to tell when clients and servers connect to it. - The ability to open bidirectional streams. - Send large amounts of data quickly and reliably. This is just a quick overview of what I've been contemplating for a year or so. Anyways, feel free to send me mail if you have suggestions, comments, etc. From amiga-x11-owner Sun Mar 24 23:13:05 1991 Received: from pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu ([131.252.20.103]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80642>; Sun, 24 Mar 1991 23:04:13 +0200 Received: from eecs.ee.pdx.edu (eecs.cs.pdx.edu) by pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu (4.1/pdx-gateway-evision: 1.14 id AA05237; Sun, 24 Mar 91 13:11:43 PST Received: from eecs.ee.pdx.edu by eecs.ee.pdx.edu (5.61/pdx-client-evision: 1.14 id AA06506; Sun, 24 Mar 91 13:11:01 -0800 From: bairds@eecs.ee.pdx.edu (Shawn L. Baird) Message-Id: <9103242111.AA06506@eecs.ee.pdx.edu> Subject: Proposal To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1991 23:11:01 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL1] Somehow my address got left off of that message: | Shawn L. Baird | Or via US Snail: | | bairds@eecs.ee.pdx.edu | 17650 SE Cason Rd. | | ...uunet!tektronix!psueea!eecs!bairds | Gladstone, OR 97027 | From amiga-x11-owner Thu Apr 11 08:37:16 1991 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.34]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80665>; Thu, 11 Apr 1991 08:15:44 +0300 Received: by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Thu, 11 Apr 91 01:15:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 08:15:30 +0300 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Patti) Message-Id: <9104110515.AA15790@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Group Direction Having read all the archives I could find regarding this group and being myself *keenly* interested in helping this project along but not having the where- withall to know what NEEDS to be done, I am wondering if maybe it would benefit the project to get organized. Dole out parts of the project to various groups . Also, It has been said that Xwindows is being developed using GCC on the amiga... Which version? and what work has been done already? If I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't beling, PLEASE forgive me, but I really would like to see X running on my A2000 :-) Thank you for your attention, chris pati ^t That mess = Chris Patti :-) From amiga-x11-owner Thu Apr 11 22:46:12 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <80642>; Thu, 11 Apr 1991 22:37:47 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Chris Patti's message of Thu, 11 Apr 1991 08:15:30 +0300 <9104110515.AA15790@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Group Direction Message-Id: <91Apr11.223747eet_dst.80642@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 22:37:45 +0300 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 08:15:30 +0300 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Patti) Having read all the archives I could find regarding this group and being myself *keenly* interested in helping this project along but not having the where- withall to know what NEEDS to be done, I am wondering if maybe it would benefit the project to get organized. Dole out parts of the project to various groups . The main thing that needs to be done is to port the b/w server; a color server is of course needed as well, but one usually start with the b/w server to get the system up as soon as possible. Somebody already compiled the libraries (using SAS/C, I think). Also, It has been said that Xwindows is being developed using GCC on the amiga... Which version? and what work has been done already? GCC 1.37.1 is available for the Amiga. It was my intention to test the port of GCC by compiling X with it. It is still my intention, but as it is now I sleep, eat and work (at least on the Amiga :-). I did some work on the X-mas holidays, but basically found out that the shell script code in the Makefiles makes it hard. If you want to help in a big way with this, use the new shell hooks in WB2.0 to create a make/sksh pair that can execute the script commands in the makefile the same way as it is done in the real world. I fixed a number of bugs in pdmake over xmas and put the result in the file ~pub/amiga/x11/port/port/pdmake.tar.Z on this machine (available by anon ftp). In the same directory is a hack called subdir_do, this was something to replace the script code in the makefiles with. Works OK, but it takes time to rewrite and test all the Imake rules that use short scripts. My next approach will be to create a GCC crosscompiler on a unix machine and let it handle the scripts (no rewriting needed). Then it is possible to concentrate on the porting of the code instead. If I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't beling, PLEASE forgive me, but I really would like to see X running on my A2000 :-) You're welcome. I'm sure many others are wondering as well, but didn't want to risk their noses! :-) Chris Patti -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Fri Apr 12 02:11:10 1991 Received: from elmendorf-ac2sman.af.mil ([131.37.6.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80643>; Fri, 12 Apr 1991 02:00:49 +0300 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1991 02:00:00 +0300 From: "EDFVZ3::SYSTEM" Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: "amiga-x11" Message-Id: <91Apr12.020049eet_dst.80643@nic.funet.fi> SUBS AMIGA-X11 Tom Pettigrew From amiga-x11-owner Fri Apr 12 18:30:08 1991 Received: from router.funet.fi ([128.214.6.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80644>; Fri, 12 Apr 1991 18:19:29 +0300 Received: from Finhutc.HUT.FI by router.funet.fi; Fri, 12 Apr 91 18:19 EET Received: from UMNACVX.BITNET by Finhutc.HUT.FI (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7341; Fri, 12 Apr 91 18:18:29 EET Received: from ux.acs.umn.edu by vx.acs.umn.edu; Fri, 12 Apr 91 10:20 CST Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1991 18:14:45 +0300 From: tking@ux.acs.umn.edu Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <8FC791DF32DF400641@vx.acs.umn.edu> X-Envelope-to: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi SUBS AMIGA-X11 Tim King From unx.sas.com!julian Fri Apr 12 22:30:38 1991 Received: from mcnc.mcnc.org ([128.109.131.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80646>; Fri, 12 Apr 1991 22:22:31 +0300 Received: by mcnc.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/3-21-91) id AA29039; Fri, 12 Apr 91 15:22:14 -0400 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Received: by mozart.unx.sas.com (5.64+/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA26352; Fri, 12 Apr 91 15:09:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1991 22:09:00 +0300 From: Phil Julian Message-Id: <9104121909.AA26352@mozart.unx.sas.com> To: amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 From amiga-x11-owner Tue Apr 16 16:15:47 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <80644>; Tue, 16 Apr 1991 16:04:35 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Mike Black's message of Fri, 12 Apr 1991 00:28:17 +0300 <9104112128.AA06850@beno.CSS.GOV> Subject: Group Direction Message-Id: <91Apr16.160435eet_dst.80644@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1991 16:04:31 +0300 Mike Black writes (in personal mail): >I concur with Chris Patti...Would someone perchance volunteer an ftp site >where ongoing work could be posted. I've seen recently where someone >has supposedly gotten the X11 libraries compiled and was looking for a >socket library to start on the server. A site to post status and current >efforts would be a good start and maybe someone to volunteer to coordinate >the work? I created an incoming directory for the X11 project, called ~pub/amiga/x11/port/incoming. I'll move incoming material to logical places and notify the list as new material has arrived/ is accesible. A shadow site in the US would be a good thing (to limit excess cross-atlantic link usage). Since the gcc port project, I've concluded that the best coordination happens through open discussion on the list. That way everybody can be informed and late-comers can read the list archive to see what's happened and why. Many things will probably be discussed in e-mail anyway. -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 2 02:22:05 1991 Received: from router.funet.fi ([128.214.6.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <80646>; Thu, 2 May 1991 02:02:01 +0300 Received: from Finhutc.HUT.FI by router.funet.fi; Thu, 2 May 91 02:03 EET Received: from UMNACVX.BITNET by Finhutc.HUT.FI (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3730; Thu, 02 May 91 02:03:06 EET Received: from ux.acs.umn.edu by vx.acs.umn.edu; Wed, 1 May 91 17:31 CDT Date: Thu, 2 May 1991 01:25:13 +0300 From: tking@ux.acs.umn.edu Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <809D3EBFF2DFE0509B@vx.acs.umn.edu> X-Envelope-to: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi SUBS AMIGA-X11 Tim King From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 30 06:48:00 1991 Received: from macadam.mqcs.mq.oz.au ([137.111.160.6]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56885>; Thu, 30 May 1991 06:30:05 +0300 Received: from mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au by macadam.mqcs.mq.oz.au (5.64+/1.0) id AA10944; Thu, 30 May 91 13:24:58 +1000 Received: from ipc01.mqcs.mq.oz.au.mqcs.mq.oz.au by mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02790; Thu, 30 May 91 13:24:31 EST Date: Thu, 30 May 1991 21:24:31 +0300 From: s8922967@mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au Message-Id: <9105300324.AA02790@mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Murray Gilbert From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 30 09:25:42 1991 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.34]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56883>; Thu, 30 May 1991 09:10:22 +0300 Received: by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Thu, 30 May 91 02:10:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 1991 09:10:05 +0300 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Patti) Message-Id: <9105300610.AA20823@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, s8922967@mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au Subject: Re: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 is anyone out there *ACTUALLY* developing an X server? I'd love to but am far too wet behind the ears (learning intermediate unix now) From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 30 14:55:40 1991 Received: from central.cis.upenn.edu ([130.91.6.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56986>; Thu, 30 May 1991 14:49:17 +0300 Received: from ENIAC.SEAS.UPENN.EDU by central.cis.upenn.edu id AA02317; Thu, 30 May 91 07:49:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: by eniac.seas.upenn.edu id AA19110; Thu, 30 May 91 07:49:01 EDT Date: Thu, 30 May 1991 14:49:01 +0300 From: mklee@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Lee) Posted-Date: Thu, 30 May 91 07:49:01 EDT Message-Id: <9105301149.AA19110@eniac.seas.upenn.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: UNSUBS AMIGA-X11 Mike Lee UNSUBS AMIGA-X11 MIKE LEE From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 30 20:14:56 1991 Received: from diana.cair.du.edu ([130.253.1.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56885>; Thu, 30 May 1991 20:04:04 +0300 Received: by diana.cair.du.edu (5.57/DU-1.0) id AA23309; Thu, 30 May 91 11:01:44 -0600 Received: by isis.cs.du.edu (5.52/DU-1.0-isis) id AA15092; Thu, 30 May 91 11:00:53 MDT Date: Thu, 30 May 1991 20:00:53 +0300 From: lnicodem@isis.cs.du.edu (Leon B. Nicodemus) Message-Id: <9105301700.AA15092@isis.cs.du.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, s8922967@mackay.mqcs.mq.oz.au Subject: Re: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jun 6 09:50:41 1991 Received: from fuug.fi ([192.26.119.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56482>; Thu, 6 Jun 1991 09:43:34 +0300 Received: from dkuug.dk by fuug.fi with SMTP id AA22134 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi); Thu, 6 Jun 91 09:40:46 +0300 Received: from id.dth.dk by dkuug.dk via EUnet with SMTP (5.64+/8+bit/IDA-1.2.8) id AA29765; Thu, 6 Jun 91 08:43:17 +0200 Received: by iddth.dk; Thu, 6 Jun 91 08:42:18 +0200 (MET) Received: by iddth2.id.dk; Thu, 6 Jun 91 08:45:24 +0200 (MET) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1991 09:45:24 +0300 From: kjalke@iddth2.id.dk (Soeren H Kjalke (910831#TOE)) Message-Id: <9106060645.AA00971@iddth2.id.dk> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Soren Hjortnaes Kjalke REV AMIGA-X11 From amiga-X11-owner Fri Jun 7 12:44:11 1991 Received: from uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu ([129.15.20.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56454>; Fri, 7 Jun 1991 12:38:06 +0300 Received: by uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu id AA18509 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi); Fri, 7 Jun 91 04:38:31 -0500 Received: by mndcrme.UUCP (V1.13/Amiga) id AA03352; Thu, 6 Jun 91 23:59:55 CST Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1991 08:59:55 +0300 Message-Id: <9106070559.AA03352@mndcrme.UUCP> From: bn@mndcrme.UUCP (Bo Najdrovsky) To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: help HELP LIST From amiga-x11-owner Sat Jun 8 02:58:16 1991 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([137.39.1.5]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56490>; Sat, 8 Jun 1991 02:49:27 +0300 Received: from uunet.uu.net (LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA11445; Fri, 7 Jun 91 19:49:06 -0400 Received: from wyse.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 194835.11306; Fri, 7 Jun 1991 19:48:35 EDT Received: from joe-wd1.wyse.com (joe) by wyse.wyse.com (4.0/Wyse master/5-13-88) id AA09818; Fri, 7 Jun 91 11:06:15 PDT Received: by joe-wd1.wyse.com (5.58/Wyse client/5-13-88) id AA04277; Fri, 7 Jun 91 11:02:40 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1991 21:02:40 +0300 From: carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith) Message-Id: <9106071802.AA04277@joe-wd1.wyse.com> To: lists.funet.fi!amiga-x11%wyse@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Introducing myself Hello. I was just added to this list yesterday, and I thought I'd introduce myself. All my experience with X has been at the Xlib programming level; I've never looked at server code before. But I'm fascinated by it and would love to get my hands dirty working on some. What's the status of this project? How many people are actively coding? --CJ From amiga-x11-owner Sun Jun 9 10:56:18 1991 Received: from mcsun.EU.net ([192.16.202.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56475>; Sun, 9 Jun 1991 10:53:30 +0300 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; id AA13079 (5.65a/CWI-2.91); Sun, 9 Jun 91 09:53:22 +0200 Received: from uunet.uu.net (LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10457; Sun, 9 Jun 91 03:48:04 -0400 Received: from wyse.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 034750.19340; Sun, 9 Jun 1991 03:47:50 EDT Received: by wyse.wyse.com (4.0/Wyse master/5-13-88) id AA01897; Sun, 9 Jun 91 00:30:55 PDT From: rps@arbortext.com Received: from blue.arbortext.com (ARBORTEXT.COM) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05711; Sun, 9 Jun 91 02:31:29 -0400 Received: by blue.arbortext.com (5.54/ati-3.1) id AA10389; Sun, 9 Jun 91 02:27:54 EDT Received: by ash.arbortext.com (5.54/ati-3.0) id AA04425; Sun, 9 Jun 91 02:27:45 EDT Message-Id: <9106090627.AA04425@ash.arbortext.com> To: carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith) Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, rps@arbortext.com Subject: Re: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 07 Jun 91 21:02:40 +0300. <9106071802.AA04277@joe-wd1.wyse.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1991 09:26:03 +0300 Well, as far as I can tell there are probably two or three people working on getting an X server going. I'm too busy to continue work unfortunately. I will probably start working on it again soon. Unfortunately, it is not a concerted effort. I had suggested trying to get everybody to work together and to use RCS (Revision Control System) with some sort of UUCP interface to synchronize work efforts. It would be best to get an X server going first, and then to worry about the clients. A friend of mine just got the GfxBase implementation and said that it was dreadfully slow. Kinda said since the screen is really small in the first place. I guess that there is little that you can do to get a 68000 to churn out good performance. Thanks, Ralph From amiga-x11-owner Sun Jun 9 19:38:06 1991 Received: from bleen.eng.umd.edu ([128.8.133.8]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56502>; Sun, 9 Jun 1991 19:35:26 +0300 Received: by bleen.eng.umd.edu (5.65+(UMDENG)/umdeng-0.4/09-20-90) id AA04302; Sun, 9 Jun 91 12:34:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9106091634.AA04302@bleen.eng.umd.edu> To: rps@arbortext.com Cc: carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith), amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 09 Jun 91 09:26:03 +0200." <9106090627.AA04425@ash.arbortext.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1991 19:34:36 +0300 From: "Stripes (or Josh, if you must)" rps@arbortext.com said: > A friend of mine just got the >GfxBase implementation and said that it was dreadfully slow. Kinda said since >the screen is really small in the first place. I guess that there is little >that you can do to get a 68000 to churn out good performance. Many X terminals are 68000's running at relitavle slow clocks (8 is not uncommon, 12 is common, no too many low end ones are over 16Mhz). Of corse these are mono, a lot less bit planes to throw around. To balance this out the Amiga has a Blitter (some low end X terminals have something to help with block moves, but I don't think they have anything as genneral as the Blitter). Doesn't the Amiga have hardware line drawing, if a way can't be found to make it conform to the X line spec it can still be used for width zero lines. The Amiga has sprites, can you say "hardware cursor" (a big colorful one - you can all the sprites for one cursor). The Amiga could also be the first X terminal to support hardware dubble buffering (most X servers suport the multi-buffering extention in software). Sure a port of the normal mfb/cfb code will run slow on the Amiga, but if you do the work to take advantage of the hardware avilable it could make a snappy little X terminal. Besides if you need more speed you can allways buy a faster 680x0, can't do that for most X terminals :-) -- stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Multitasking for MS-DOS" "The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood "CNN is the only nuclear capable news network..." - lbruck@eng.umd.edu (Lewis Bruck) From amiga-x11-owner Sun Jun 9 19:39:45 1991 Received: from uunet.UU.NET ([137.39.1.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56503>; Sun, 9 Jun 1991 19:38:10 +0300 Received: from decwrl.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-uucp-primary) id AA01126; Sun, 9 Jun 91 12:37:51 -0400 Received: by uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA21411; Sun, 9 Jun 91 07:17:37 -0700 Received: by amiga.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA28302; Sun, 9 Jun 91 07:13:45 PDT Received: from gfxbase.boing.com by boing.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA25791; Sun, 9 Jun 91 07:03:38 PDT Received: by gfxbase.boing.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA12145; Sun, 9 Jun 91 07:11:39 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1991 17:11:39 +0300 From: decwrl!amiga!boing!dale@uunet.UU.NET (Dale Luck) Message-Id: <9106091411.AA12145@gfxbase.boing.com> To: pdx@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Speed of GfxBase's X11 >A friend of mine just got the >GfxBase implementation and said that it was dreadfully slow. Yes, the color speed is not where we want it. However the black and white implementation is fairly snappy, especially the R4 version we are about to ship. ColorR4 will be out in about 3-4 months we hope. One of the things that's needed for X11 on the Amiga is a socket library. The socket library that the Network Working Group was working on should be a good start. I plan on lharcing the source to the socket layer and sending it to this group. It only supports SANA AF_UNIX connections for local domain ipc. This should help get things going. With this socket library you can then finish doing the port of the libraries, toolkits, widgets, etc. You can then get the clients to link. You will have to write some additional unix functions that are not in the C libraries of the C vendors. This socket library is compatible with the socket library we use at GfxBase. It does not make sense to me to have two incompatible socket libraries. This way your clients can work with our server, and vice-versa. Dale Luck GfxBase, Inc. From amiga-x11-owner Mon Jun 10 00:22:22 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <56504>; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 00:20:12 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: "Stripes (or Josh, if you must)"'s message of Sun, 9 Jun 1991 19:34:36 +0300 <9106091634.AA04302@bleen.eng.umd.edu> Subject: Introducing myself Message-Id: <91Jun10.002012eet_dst.56504@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 00:20:08 +0300 Stripes wrote: >zero lines. The Amiga has sprites, can you say "hardware cursor" (a big >colorful one - you can all the sprites for one cursor). Unfortunately, the Amiga sprites are of a lower resolution. Their resolution match something like 320x256, ie. the horisontal resolution is only half of the usual "hi-res" mode. For X, we'd want the cursor to have the same resoltion as the screen. I suspect blitter objects (BOBs for short) are the way to go, cf. dragging icons on the workbench: that speed should be sufficient. Of course, the system BOBs aren't a must, the same result can be had using a dedicated routine (probably better than the general-case BOBs). Such a routine was posted on usenet quite a while ago, but of course I couldn't locate it just now. -- Leonard From eng.umd.edu!stripes Mon Jun 10 07:41:04 1991 Received: from bleen.eng.umd.edu ([128.8.133.8]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56516>; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 07:39:32 +0300 Received: by bleen.eng.umd.edu (5.65+(UMDENG)/umdeng-0.4/09-20-90) id AA06317; Mon, 10 Jun 91 00:40:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9106100440.AA06317@bleen.eng.umd.edu> To: Leonard Norrgard Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 91 00:20:08 +0200." <91Jun10.002012eet_dst.56504@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 07:40:28 +0300 From: "Stripes (or Josh, if you must)" Leonard Norrgard said: >Unfortunately, the Amiga sprites are of a lower resolution. Their >resolution match something like 320x256, ie. the horisontal resolution >is only half of the usual "hi-res" mode. For X, we'd want the cursor >to have the same resoltion as the screen. Damm. Another system with anoying software cursors. The sprites could be used as an extra visual class that is viewable at the same time as the default visual class :-) [...] -- stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Multitasking for MS-DOS" "The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood "CNN is the only nuclear capable news network..." - lbruck@eng.umd.edu (Lewis Bruck) From amiga-x11-owner Mon Jun 10 08:14:03 1991 Received: from pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.30]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56517>; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 08:12:51 +0300 Received: by pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Mon, 10 Jun 91 01:12:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 08:12:32 +0300 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Patti) Message-Id: <9106100512.AA25952@pogo.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: a concerted effort Woiuldn't that be kindof a smart idea? or at least maybe .. maybe a little bit of starter info to steer those of us who are *EXTREMELY* willing to spend the time on this but have *Absolutely* no clue where to start.. maybe you folks could let us know what resources are available and such. I sent a message such as this to this group about a month ago and got little response, I noticed carolyn asked the same thing and got very little in the way of answers to her question.. (sign) Woops, change that n to an h :-) just a thought. From amiga-x11-owner Mon Jun 10 18:25:24 1991 Received: from sharkey.cc.umich.edu ([35.1.1.90]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56518>; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 18:19:11 +0300 Received: from ARBORTEXT.COM by sharkey.cc.umich.edu (5.64/1123-1.0) id AA03415; Mon, 10 Jun 91 11:21:41 -0400 Received: by blue.arbortext.com (5.54/ati-3.1) id AA16568; Mon, 10 Jun 91 11:08:16 EDT Received: by ash.arbortext.com (5.54/ati-3.0) id AA05586; Mon, 10 Jun 91 11:06:19 EDT Message-Id: <9106101506.AA05586@ash.arbortext.com> To: "Stripes (or Josh, if you must)" Cc: rps@arbortext.com, carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith), amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, rps@blue.arbortext.com Subject: Re: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 09 Jun 91 12:34:36 -0400. <9106091634.AA04302@bleen.eng.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 18:04:32 +0300 From: rps@blue.arbortext.com Yeah, but the Amiga is also doing things such as handling other processes. X terminals generally do very very few things. They really are dumb terminals. See ya, Ralph From amiga-X11-owner Mon Jun 10 21:51:08 1991 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([137.39.1.5]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56524>; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 21:45:29 +0300 Received: from uunet.uu.net (LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21849; Mon, 10 Jun 91 14:45:10 -0400 Received: from wyse.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 144501.27042; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 14:45:01 EDT Received: from joe-wd1.wyse.com (joe) by wyse.wyse.com (4.0/Wyse master/5-13-88) id AA03147; Mon, 10 Jun 91 11:15:06 PDT Received: by joe-wd1.wyse.com (5.58/Wyse client/5-13-88) id AA00563; Mon, 10 Jun 91 11:12:39 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 21:12:39 +0300 From: carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith) Message-Id: <9106101812.AA00563@joe-wd1.wyse.com> To: lists.funet.fi!amiga-X11%wyse@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Two quick questions Raise your hand if you've started coding. Just kidding. 1) Are you folks using GCC for the Amiga? If so, where can I find that? 2) I was wondering about whether to have the X server run under an Intuition screen, so that you could slide it up and down (helps debugging), or have it completely take over the monitor as X usually does. What do you folks think? What advantages/disadvantages do you see? (Can you run the right resolution under an Intuition screen?) Thanks, --CJ From amiga-X11-owner Mon Jun 10 21:54:20 1991 Received: from figbox.funet.fi ([128.214.6.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56532>; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 21:51:16 +0300 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by FIGBOX.FUNET.FI with PMDF#10212; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 18:47 GMT Received: from uunet.uu.net (LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13194; Mon, 10 Jun 91 14:46:32 -0400 Received: from wyse.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 144500.27023; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 14:45:00 EDT Received: from joe-wd1.wyse.com (joe) by wyse.wyse.com (4.0/Wyse master/5-13-88) id AA28602; Mon, 10 Jun 91 10:58:25 PDT Received: by joe-wd1.wyse.com (5.58/Wyse client/5-13-88) id AA00558; Mon, 10 Jun 91 10:55:58 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 20:55:58 +0300 From: carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith) Subject: socket libraries, speed To: lists.funet.fi!amiga-X11%wyse@uunet.UU.NET Message-id: <9106101755.AA00558@joe-wd1.wyse.com> Josh Osborne asked: >> P.S. are you looking at the server because you want to run it on your Amiga, >> or 'cause you are working on Wyse's X server? I have an Amiga 2000 sitting on my desk (it's not mine, but as long as it's taking up valuable desk space I want to try to run X on it). BTW, would you rather be called Josh or Stripes? Dale Luck writes: >> One of the things that's needed for X11 on the Amiga is a socket >> library. The socket library that the Network Working Group was >> working on should be a good start. I plan on lharcing the source >> to the socket layer and sending it to this group. >> >> This socket library is compatible with the socket library we >> use at GfxBase. It does not make sense to me to have two >> incompatible socket libraries. Definitely. I'd hope we could be compatible there. One of the things I had considered doing, depending on how much help I got from this group, was buying an Ethernet card for the Amiga and using its socket layer. Should I instead wait for this source to arrive? Is this source likely to be pretty much compatible with the socket library provided with a mass-market Ethernet card or should I forget that idea? Ralph writes: >> It would be best to get an X server going first, >> and then to worry about the clients. Another advantage of the Ethernet card, if indeed that's the way to go. There's a Sparctstation sitting on the other desk, a handy source for clients... :-) Josh writes: >> Besides if you need more speed you can allways >> buy a faster 680x0, can't do that for most X terminals :-) Yeah. I would do that for development at least. More memory, too. How much harm is there in saying "Gee, here we have an X server but its performance is acceptable only if you have upgraded your processor"? --CJ From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jun 11 02:55:24 1991 Received: from mcsun.EU.net ([192.16.202.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56452>; Tue, 11 Jun 1991 02:52:38 +0300 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet; id AA03136 (5.65a/CWI-2.91); Tue, 11 Jun 91 01:52:22 +0200 Received: from uunet.uu.net (LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA15540; Mon, 10 Jun 91 19:48:12 -0400 Received: from wyse.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 194734.29613; Mon, 10 Jun 1991 19:47:34 EDT Received: by wyse.wyse.com (4.0/Wyse master/5-13-88) id AA25274; Mon, 10 Jun 91 16:06:29 PDT From: rps@arbortext.com Received: from blue.arbortext.com (ARBORTEXT.COM) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA09743; Mon, 10 Jun 91 17:58:19 -0400 Received: by blue.arbortext.com (5.54/ati-3.1) id AA19024; Mon, 10 Jun 91 17:48:38 EDT Received: by ash.arbortext.com (5.54/ati-3.0) id AA05971; Mon, 10 Jun 91 17:39:09 EDT Message-Id: <9106102139.AA05971@ash.arbortext.com> To: carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith) Cc: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi, rps@arbortext.com Subject: Re: Two quick questions In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 10 Jun 91 21:12:39 +0300. <9106101812.AA00563@joe-wd1.wyse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1991 00:37:22 +0300 Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the display.screen paradigm. Why not have the X server implement multiple screens if necessary? Also, it would be nice to have an Intuition Window Manager (iwm). It would not be good to slave yourself to intuition, but instead make it a client. X provides function, but you provide the form :) -Ralph From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jun 11 23:33:55 1991 Received: from bleen.eng.umd.edu ([128.8.133.8]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56450>; Tue, 11 Jun 1991 23:18:35 +0300 Received: by bleen.eng.umd.edu (5.65+(UMDENG)/umdeng-0.4/09-20-90) id AA15061; Tue, 11 Jun 91 16:17:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9106112017.AA15061@bleen.eng.umd.edu> To: rps@blue.arbortext.com Cc: rps@arbortext.com, carol@wyse.com ( Carol J. Smith), amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Introducing myself In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 91 18:04:32 +0200." <9106101506.AA05586@ash.arbortext.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1991 23:17:22 +0300 From: "Stripes (or Josh, if you must)" rps@blue.arbortext.com said: >Yeah, but the Amiga is also doing things such as handling other processes. >X terminals generally do very very few things. They really are dumb terminals The Amiga *might* be doing other things. If it is doing other things then it will slow down. Many X terminals come with a built-in window manager, and some with a telnet window. Lots come with serial ports (which seldom get connected to anything). This is "a few" things. Some X terminals even run Xinu (or is it Minix?)... -- stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Multitasking for MS-DOS" "The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood "CNN is the only nuclear capable news network..." - lbruck@eng.umd.edu (Lewis Bruck) From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jun 13 05:56:23 1991 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56456>; Thu, 13 Jun 1991 05:48:28 +0300 Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20914; Wed, 12 Jun 91 22:48:31 -0400 Received: from decwrl.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 224704.13215; Wed, 12 Jun 1991 22:47:04 EDT Received: by uucp-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA01030; Wed, 12 Jun 91 19:24:20 -0700 Received: by amiga.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA29296; Mon, 10 Jun 91 00:57:32 PDT Received: from gfxbase.boing.com by boing.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA26742; Mon, 10 Jun 91 00:48:13 PDT Received: by gfxbase.boing.com (3.2/SMI-3.2) id AA14224; Mon, 10 Jun 91 00:56:13 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1991 10:56:13 +0300 From: decwrl!amiga!boing!dale@uunet.UU.NET (Dale Luck) Message-Id: <9106100756.AA14224@gfxbase.boing.com> To: pdx@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Annoying software cursors Using the Amiga sprite as a cursor is not as bad as it seems. As long as the hotspot it in the proper place, getting used to a cursor twice the size is quickly done. The sprite is wrong size in all hires and superhires modes. It is also wrong in interlace. The XamigaR4 mono server from GfxBase allows you to select whether you want a software or hardware cursor. This way you can make the choice and decide what works best for you. Dale Luck From amiga-x11-owner Mon Jul 22 07:14:23 1991 Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU ([128.250.35.21]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <56890>; Mon, 22 Jul 1991 07:05:19 +0300 Received: from mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with SMTP (5.64+1.3.1+0.50); id AA12961 Mon, 22 Jul 1991 14:04:47 +1000 (from lawley@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU) Received: by mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (4.0/Umax_4.3_mu) id AA17089; Mon, 22 Jul 91 14:04:44 EST Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 22:04:44 +0300 From: michael lawley Message-Id: <9107220404.AA17089@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Michael Lawley From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 22 19:59:15 1991 Received: from MATHSUN17.MATH.UTK.EDU ([128.169.200.117]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36822>; Tue, 22 Oct 1991 19:27:10 +0200 Received: by MATHSUN17.MATH.UTK.EDU (5.61++/2.6c-UTK) id AA20625; Tue, 22 Oct 91 13:24:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 19:24:34 +0200 From: mckeehan@math.utk.edu Message-Id: <9110221724.AA20625@MATHSUN17.MATH.UTK.EDU> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi sub amiga-x11 "William McKeehan" From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 22 21:22:56 1991 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36831>; Tue, 22 Oct 1991 21:07:35 +0200 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Tue, 22 Oct 91 15:07:19 -0400 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9110221907.AA17515@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Updates? To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 17:07:18 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] How is the Amiga X11 project coming along, anyway? -- ~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~ Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu np-pres@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nightshadow Productions) ~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~ From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 22 23:28:32 1991 Received: from figbox.funet.fi ([128.214.6.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36833>; Tue, 22 Oct 1991 23:12:16 +0200 Received: from Sunset.AI.SRI.COM by FIGBOX.FUNET.FI (PMDF #12388) id <01GC2743AJGW000D3E@FIGBOX.FUNET.FI>; Tue, 22 Oct 1991 21:12 EET DST Received: from Bolinas.AI.SRI.COM by Sunset.AI.SRI.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01310 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi; Tue, 22 Oct 91 14:10:23 PDT Received: by Bolinas.AI.SRI.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01199 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi; Tue, 22 Oct 91 14:10:26 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 23:10:26 +0200 From: "Scott J. Kramer" Subject: help Sender: sjk@ai.sri.com To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <9110222110.AA01199@Bolinas.AI.SRI.COM> From amiga-x11-owner Thu Oct 24 17:02:25 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36325>; Thu, 24 Oct 1991 16:46:05 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Tarador Dranon's message of Tue, 22 Oct 1991 17:07:18 +0200 <9110221907.AA17515@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Updates? Message-Id: <91Oct24.164605eet.36325@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 16:46:01 +0200 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1991 17:07:18 +0200 How is the Amiga X11 project coming along, anyway? The #1 thing to be done is still a server (b/w to start with). Personally, I have worked on the gcc2 compiler, so that I (soon) can cross-compile everything under unix, and then just move the binaries to the amiga. This way I can concentrate on the code that needs to be written for an Amiga X server, rather than OS & shell issues. GCC2, however, will not be available for some time (until the FSF decides it is ready to release, that is). For compiling the server, this will help a lot as I will not have to try to convert all the scripts & makefiles in the X source, just to try to compile the source on the amiga (which isn't important to me, anyway). The major problem with compiling X source on the amiga is that there still isn't a good Bourne shell available (which X needs for its scripts). GNU Bash (the Bourne-Again-SHell) could be ported, with some work (I have a version, except the work to replace fork() & friends; that work however will be 90% of the Bash port). Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Fri Oct 25 01:18:34 1991 Received: from hac2arpa.hac.com ([192.48.33.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36308>; Fri, 25 Oct 1991 01:07:45 +0200 Received: from [128.152.24.29] by hac2arpa.hac.com (5.61++/SMI-DDN) id AA10806; Thu, 24 Oct 91 16:02:55 -0700 Received: by vsys0.hac.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01173; Thu, 24 Oct 91 16:08:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9110242308.AA01173@vsys0.hac.com> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Amiga and X Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 01:08:11 +0200 From: jbrag@vsys0.dnet.hac.com I am fearly new to this list and I was wondering if anyone would inform me a little bit. The Amiga X11 project: What is it? Are we talking and X-server for the Amiga Unix or for the Amiga AmigaDos machines. Who is doing it? Any relation or connection with GfxBase (Dale Luck) What will be (or are) the system requirements for X on the Amiga. What is: GCC2 FSF Is there anything else a should know. I had an Amiga 2000 which I sold in order to buy a 3000 but have not done yet. I work for indirectly for Hughes Aircraft Co. and despite a considerable experience in the UNIX/SUN and VAX/VMS environments I still think of the Amiga as THE home workstation. I have been away from the Internet news access for almost a year now and do realize I am starting to fall behind. I have to get back somehow. Thanks in advance for all info. -- Jon Arni Bragason Internet: jbrag@vsys0.hac.com Mechanical/Software Engineer BITNET: ??? Kogun (Air Surveillance Systems) Phone: (714) 732-1913 8251 Blackwillow Circle, #102 FAX: (714) 998-7624 Anaheim, California 92808 **************************************************************************** ** ** ** By a special request by Bjarni Birgisson I am including a joke here. ** ** ** ** A police officer was questioning a snail who got mugged by a turtle. ** ** Officer: "What happened?" ** ** Snail: "I dunno. It all happened so fast!" ** ** ** **************************************************************************** From amiga-x11-owner Fri Oct 25 02:09:13 1991 Received: from mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.33]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36324>; Fri, 25 Oct 1991 01:57:27 +0200 Received: by mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Thu, 24 Oct 91 19:57:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 01:57:19 +0200 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (feoh) Message-Id: <9110242357.AA01023@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, jbrag@vsys0.dnet.hac.com Subject: Re: Amiga and X Ok, in answer to your question: GCC2 is the FSF's c compiler, version 2 FSF is the Free software foundation, a non profit organization dedicated to designing free software (if you've every u used emacs you've used their stuff..) hope that ahhelps! From amiga-x11-owner Sun Oct 27 23:28:07 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36379>; Sun, 27 Oct 1991 23:06:22 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: jbrag@vsys0.dnet.hac.com's message of Fri, 25 Oct 1991 01:08:11 +0200 <9110242308.AA01173@vsys0.hac.com> Subject: Amiga and X Message-Id: <91Oct27.230622eet.36379@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1991 23:06:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 01:08:11 +0200 From: jbrag@vsys0.dnet.hac.com What is it? Are we talking and X-server for the Amiga Unix or for the Amiga AmigaDos machines. Well, this list is (or should be) mostly a general meetingpoint for discussing X on the Amiga hardware architecture, ie. for X under both AmigaDos & Amiga Unix. Software vice, especially in the server code, they both share the same problems, namely how to most effectively deal with the bitplane architecture (which the sample X color servers weren't designed for). "The project" I'd take to refer to writing an free version of X for use under AmigaDOS. To use X under Amiga Unix, I understand you need only compile the thing (possibly with some minor installation-type work). Who is doing it? Some of the people on this list are working on writing a free AmigaDOS server, others keep an eye on general X issues on the Amiga (not that much have been happening here, yet. ;-) Any relation or connection with GfxBase (Dale Luck) Dale's one of the subscribers (Hi Dale!), so I guess you can ask questions here and more or less expect an answer. What will be (or are) the system requirements for X on the Amiga. Under AmigaDOS, the only available X is the one from GfxBase. Depending on what you want to do, 1Mb and a floppy drive + a network connection of some type could be enough (for running clients on other machines over the network). When running clients locally, you need more memory, of course. Since you can't swap out unused code (under AmigaDOS, not Amiga Unix) you need as much physical memory as the clients you run concurrently use. You probably would like more, since you can still continue to use AmigaDOS, Workbench and other Amiga software simultaneously. Is there anything else a should know. If you need X now, talk to GfxBase. A free X will not see daylight for quite some time. Even after there is a free X, you will probably need to talk to GfxBase if you need a polished and supported product, as opposed to what probably will be more or less of a hack with no guarantee. I had an Amiga 2000 which I sold in order to buy a 3000 but have not done yet. I work for indirectly for Hughes Aircraft Co. and despite a considerable experience in the UNIX/SUN and VAX/VMS environments I still think of the Amiga as THE home workstation. Maybe Commodore's Amiga Unix is something for you? Thanks in advance for all info. Jon Arni Bragason Internet: jbrag@vsys0.hac.com You're welcome, -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Sun Oct 27 23:47:01 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36380>; Sun, 27 Oct 1991 23:28:15 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: [rps@blue.arbortext.com: Re: Updates? ] Message-Id: <91Oct27.232815eet.36380@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1991 23:14:20 +0200 [I believe this was intended for the list, so I forwarded it from my mailbox. (To mail something to all people on the list, mail it to amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi) -- Leonard] To: Leonard Norrgard Subject: Re: Updates? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 24 Oct 91 16:46:01 +0200." <91Oct24.164605eet.36325@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 17:36:34 +0200 From: Ralph Seguin > The #1 thing to be done is still a server (b/w to start with). The black and white is the only way to start. Color is considerably more difficult since the Amiga is a bitplaned machine. X expects a byte-packed frame buffer. That is, a 24 bit frame buffer will have three consecutive bytes representing a single pixel. This tends to make access to pixels much faster than dealing with bitplanes. > Personally, I have worked on the gcc2 compiler, so that I (soon) can > cross-compile everything under unix, and then just move the binaries > to the amiga. This way I can concentrate on the code that needs to be > written for an Amiga X server, rather than OS & shell issues. Part of the problem with the Amiga is that the Makefiles for X sort of expect unix to be around. I'm going to concentrate on taking some of that stuff out (not easy because of the size and number of the Makefiles/Imakefiles). > GCC2, however, will not be available for some time (until the FSF > decides it is ready to release, that is). For compiling the server, Is Amiga support now incorporated into official GCC? It would be horrible to have to do a lot of the work all over again. > this will help a lot as I will not have to try to convert all the > scripts & makefiles in the X source, just to try to compile the source > on the amiga (which isn't important to me, anyway). I've compiled decent amounts of the ddx,dix and other code. The networking code is, of course, the major problem. I used GCC to do my work. > The major problem with compiling X source on the amiga is that there > still isn't a good Bourne shell available (which X needs for its > scripts). GNU Bash (the Bourne-Again-SHell) could be ported, with > some work (I have a version, except the work to replace fork() & > friends; that work however will be 90% of the Bash port). Exactly. SKsh is pretty nifty, but as I've said, the Makefiles sort of expect you to be able to fork off a Bourne shell to execute some scripts. Somebody should petition the X Consortium to move that stuff out of the Makefiles/Imakefiles into scripts so it could be more portable (to non-UNIX machines). > Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu > -- Leonard Thanks, Ralph PS- Could whoever's in charge, please change my email address to: rps@arbortext.com [From what? I only found one other Ralph on the list, but with no surname and an e-mail address of gilgalad@engin.umich.edu. Is that the one? If you can still send mail from the old address, you can do this by sending an unsubscribe message from there and a subscribe message from your new address. For info on this, send a message with the word help as the message text to the address mailserv@nic.funet.fi. -- Leonard] From amiga-x11-owner Sat Nov 2 22:49:39 1991 Received: from shrike.Austin.Lockheed.COM ([192.31.24.65]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36565>; Sat, 2 Nov 1991 22:18:36 +0200 Received: by shrike.Austin.Lockheed.COM (4.1/1.49); Sat, 2 Nov 91 14:18:41 CST Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1991 22:18:41 +0200 From: Tom Davis Message-Id: <9111022018.AA08907@shrike.Austin.Lockheed.COM> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Remove me from the mailing list My responsibilities have changed -- please remove me from the amiga-x11 mailing list. Tom Davis From amiga-x11-owner Wed Nov 6 10:59:55 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36689>; Wed, 6 Nov 1991 10:41:59 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: tmd@AUSTIN.LOCKHEED.COM CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Tom Davis's message of Sat, 2 Nov 1991 22:18:41 +0200 <9111022018.AA08907@shrike.Austin.Lockheed.COM> Subject: Remove me from the mailing list Message-Id: <91Nov6.104159eet.36689@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1991 13:58:59 +0200 done. Hope you enjoyed your stay! -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Tue Nov 12 19:30:45 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36324>; Tue, 12 Nov 1991 19:11:19 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: JIM PIERCE's message of Fri, 8 Nov 1991 23:29:03 +0200 <911106.14412928.056065@USM.CP6> Subject: I'm not the list owner ! Message-Id: <91Nov12.191119eet.36324@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1991 19:11:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 23:29:03 +0200 From: JIM PIERCE Some how I got sent a request to remove Leonard Norrgard from Amiga-x11 list. I can't do that, I'm only s subscriber. I want to *stay* on this list. I hope I wasn't removed. JimP. Or was it tmd@austin.lockheed.com that was removed ??? It was tmd that requested to be removed; When I had removed him and sent a mail to him to note this fact, I accidentally forgot to remove the CC: amiga-gcc-port; thus that mail went to everybody on the list. Ie. don't worry, you're all still on the list. * Jim Pierce; B.S. in Applied Computer Science -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Wed Nov 20 23:08:09 1991 Received: from swrinde.nde.swri.edu ([129.162.170.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <37034>; Wed, 20 Nov 1991 22:49:12 +0200 Received: by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA13739; Wed, 20 Nov 91 14:48:55 -0600 From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) Message-Id: <9111202048.AA13739@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> Subject: Native X11 clients for the Amiga To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi (Amiga-X11) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1991 22:48:54 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I have been in contact with Bob Beauchemin who has been involved with the GfxBase X11 product. He has written/ported a number of X clients to the Amiga and would like to make some of them available to us. He is packaging them and sending them to me at this point. I would like suggestions for an ftp site where they could be publicly available. I hesitate in sending them to ab20 since they are of limited interest and are generally fairly large (hey, what do you expect? - it's X11) BTW, I did obtain permission from Bob to make these publicly available via anon ftp. What you do think? Anyone interested? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu UUCP : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent From amiga-x11-owner Thu Nov 21 00:52:39 1991 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <37042>; Thu, 21 Nov 1991 00:39:47 +0200 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Wed, 20 Nov 91 17:39:13 -0500 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9111202239.AA06977@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Native X11 clients for the Amiga To: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1991 19:39:12 +0200 Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: <9111202048.AA13739@swrinde.nde.swri.edu>; from "Kent D. Polk" at Nov 20, 91 10:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I'd be interested, yes.. Amiga needs a somewhat decent PD Xclient. Actually, what would be great, for instance, is to have John Radigan (maker of Jr-Comm) incorporate X into jr-comm as one of the terminal types. -- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu "I am a traveller of both time and space . . ." -- Led Zeppelin, Casmiere From amiga-x11-owner Thu Nov 21 19:24:17 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <37147>; Thu, 21 Nov 1991 19:11:57 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Kent D. Polk's message of Wed, 20 Nov 1991 22:48:54 +0200 <9111202048.AA13739@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> Subject: Native X11 clients for the Amiga Message-Id: <91Nov21.191157eet.37147@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1991 19:11:49 +0200 Well, there is now a ~pub/amiga/x11/incoming directory on nic.funet.fi (previously there where only ~pub/amiga/x11/port/incoming). You can upload as much as you wish there; I'll move the files to appropriate places (probably in a new subdirectory under amiga/x11). Space currently on the disk with the directory amiga/x11/incoming: Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/sd2c 1374491 1220224 154267 89% /ftp/disk5 Of course we are interested! -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Thu Nov 21 23:52:35 1991 Received: from rutgers.edu ([128.6.21.9]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <37167>; Thu, 21 Nov 1991 23:38:20 +0200 Received: from ogicse.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA21064; Thu, 21 Nov 91 15:22:27 EST Received: by cse.ogi.edu (5.61+eap+OGI_1.1.named/IDA-1.2.8+OGI_1.12) id AA21079; Thu, 21 Nov 91 11:34:03 -0800 Received: by cadre.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.20.1 #20.7) id ; Thu, 21 Nov 91 11:35 PST Message-Id: Received: from fripp (eno) by cadreri (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01464; Thu, 21 Nov 91 13:19:40 EST Received: from xtc.fripp by fripp (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14468; Thu, 21 Nov 91 13:16:36 EST Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1991 20:16:36 +0200 From: jh%cadreri@cadre.com (Joe Hartley) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Address change Please change my e-mail address from cadreri!jh@crdgw1.ge.com to jh@cadre.com Thank you! =============================================================================== Joe Hartley | jh@cadre.com - The problem with the gene pool is that Cadre Technologies | there is no lifeguard. 222 Richmond St. | -------------------------------------------------------- Providence, RI 02903 | Overman 1st Class - the Kilgore Trout Memorial Clench (401) 351-5950 x266 | of the Church of the SubGenius =============================================================================== From amiga-x11-owner Fri Nov 22 00:11:31 1991 Received: from oxmyx.harvard.edu ([128.103.42.202]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <37174>; Fri, 22 Nov 1991 00:01:22 +0200 Received: from cfa280.harvard.edu by oxmyx.harvard.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA20885; Thu, 21 Nov 91 17:03:48 EST Received: by cfa280.harvard.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05309; Thu, 21 Nov 91 17:00:53 EST Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1991 00:00:53 +0200 From: dj@cfa280.harvard.edu (Diab Jerius) Message-Id: <9111212200.AA05309@cfa280.harvard.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: change of address please change dj@astro.lsa.umich.edu to jerius@cfa.harvard.edu. thanks! diab From amiga-x11-owner Fri Nov 22 12:38:37 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36295>; Fri, 22 Nov 1991 12:24:09 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Joe Hartley's message of Thu, 21 Nov 1991 20:16:36 +0200 Subject: How to change subscription addresses or subscribe/unsubscribe Message-Id: <91Nov22.122409eet.36295@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1991 12:23:58 +0200 There are two methods for this: 1) Send the request to amiga-x11-request@nic.funet.fi rather than amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi (that whay it doesn't get sent to all who are subscribing to the list). This gets forwarded to a person who actually make the change. Since that person is currently me, I prefer method #2. 2) You can also use the automatic facilities of the mailing list server, mailserv@nic.funet.fi, to un/subscribe or change addresses. Send a message with the contents "help" (without the quotes) to mailserv@nic.funet.fi to receive information on that (the subject line is ignored by the server). -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Mon Nov 25 16:27:54 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36543>; Mon, 25 Nov 1991 16:12:23 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Clients for the GfxBase server available on nic.funet.fi Message-Id: <91Nov25.161223eet.36543@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1991 16:11:09 +0200 Kent Polk writes: >I have been in contact with Bob Beauchemin who has been involved with >the GfxBase X11 product. He has written/ported a number of X clients to >the Amiga and would like to make some of them available to us. >[...] >BTW, I did obtain permission from Bob to make these publicly available >via anon ftp. Well, these clients are now available as listed below. $ ls -l ~pub/amiga/x11/clients/for_GfxBase_server/ total 2200 -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 313034 Nov 25 15:53 PrProps.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 425299 Nov 25 15:53 Textedit.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 317533 Nov 25 15:53 WsProps.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 209560 Nov 25 15:53 XEngine.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 172081 Nov 25 15:53 XPClock.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 207799 Nov 25 15:53 XPostit.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 156918 Nov 25 15:53 XTartan.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 117916 Nov 25 15:53 Xgraph.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 218962 Nov 25 15:53 Xpeg.lzh Thanks to both Bob & Kent for taking the time to make these available! -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Mon Nov 25 21:10:22 1991 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36584>; Mon, 25 Nov 1991 20:58:36 +0200 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 91 13:58:02 -0500 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9111251858.AA13821@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Clients for the GfxBase server available on nic.funet.fi To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1991 15:58:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <91Nov25.161223eet.36543@nic.funet.fi>; from "Leonard Norrgard" at Nov 25, 91 4:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] I'm a bit confused.. These clients (Xpeg, etc.).. is this ALL you need to use programs like xgif, xtank, etc.? Or does one need the GfxBase that has been mentioned? If so, is there a Shareware or PD GfxBase? Thanks -- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu "We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost." -- Rush, Bravado (Roll The Bones) From amiga-x11-owner Mon Nov 25 23:29:27 1991 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36588>; Mon, 25 Nov 1991 23:21:21 +0200 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 91 16:21:06 -0500 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9111252121.AA14939@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Server.. To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1991 18:21:05 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Ok.. now that I got the client/server thing straight.. Where can I get a Shareware or PD server for my Amiga? (I know there's commercial X servers, but I can't afford that.) :) Thanks -- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu "We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost." -- Rush, Bravado (Roll The Bones) From amiga-x11-owner Fri Nov 29 07:37:10 1991 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu ([128.135.12.73]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36735>; Fri, 29 Nov 1991 07:29:44 +0200 Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Thu, 28 Nov 91 23:29:27 CST Received: from localhost by ellis.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA19150; Thu, 28 Nov 91 23:29:26 CST Message-Id: <9111290529.AA19150@ellis.uchicago.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: cross compiling Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1991 07:29:26 +0200 From: asd2@midway.uchicago.edu Well, I would also like to help with porting X11, (I kinda think that there are a whole bunch of people who'd like to do this, but there is no organized effort, and so only a few are actually trying, and those people are doing it piece-wise, by themselves). My immediate question is this: I understand that gcc2 can and has been used to compile the x11 libraries for the Amiga (by cross compiling), but that gcc2 isn't released yet. Has anyone managed to compile a version of gcc on a sparcstation and get it to produce 68000 object code ? I think I can get it to produce 68020 code (by cross-compiling to Sun3 ?), but has someone gotten 68000 code? Also, if this works, would I be able to simply use oml (from SAS C) to create an amiga link library for use with SAS ? Thanks, Amish (asd2@midway.uchicago.edu) From amiga-x11-owner Sat Nov 30 00:40:06 1991 Received: from bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca ([134.117.1.13]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <37098>; Sat, 30 Nov 1991 00:30:11 +0200 Received: from micor.UUCP by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21333; Fri, 29 Nov 91 17:27:30 EST Received: by micor.OCUnix.On.Ca (smail2.5) id AA19632; 29 Nov 91 17:25:44 EST (Fri) Received: by Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca (4.1/smail2.5/91-02-17) id AA02950; Fri, 29 Nov 91 17:13:42 EST Message-Id: <9111292213.AA02950@Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca> From: mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.On.Ca (Michael Richardson) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1991 00:13:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: asd2@midway.uchicago.edu "cross compiling" (Nov 29, 7:29am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.0 10/31/90) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: cross compiling On Nov 29, 7:29am, asd2@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: } Well, I would also like to help with porting X11, (I kinda think that there } are a whole bunch of people who'd like to do this, but there is no organized } effort, and so only a few are actually trying, and those people are doing it } piece-wise, by themselves). My immediate question is this: I understand } that gcc2 can and has been used to compile the x11 libraries for the Amiga } (by cross compiling), but that gcc2 isn't released yet. Has anyone managed } to compile a version of gcc on a sparcstation and get it to produce 68000 } object code ? It is reasonably easy to do. Fortunately, the 68000 and Sparc have the same byte order, so there is no issue with regard to gas. I have successfully built 386 32-bit code on a Sparc with a gas modified to produce .OBJ format files, and done the linking under DOS. Get sobja104.lzh from titan.ksc.nasa.gov:[ANONYMOUS.AMIGA.GCC]SOBJA104.LZH (it is a VMS machine). It converts Sun 3 to Amiga object format. I haven't brought it home and tried it out yet though. } I think I can get it to produce 68020 code (by cross-compiling to Sun3 ?), } but has someone gotten 68000 code? Also, if this works, would I be Do a config.gcc sun3, and then change the tm.h to point to ./config/tm-sparc.h The sun3 target has an -m68000 option. These are the `-m' options defined in the 68000 machine description: `-m68020' `-mc68020' Generate output for a 68020 (rather than a 68000). This is the default if you use the unmodified sources. `-m68000' `-mc68000' Generate output for a 68000 (rather than a 68020). `-m68881' Generate output containing 68881 instructions for floating point. This is the default if you use the unmodified sources. `-mfpa' Generate output containing Sun FPA instructions for floating point. `-msoft-float' Generate output containing library calls for floating point. `-mshort' Consider type `int' to be 16 bits wide, like `short int'. `-mnobitfield' Do not use the bit-field instructions. `-m68000' implies `-mnobitfield'. `-mbitfield' Do use the bit-field instructions. `-m68020' implies `-mbitfield'. This is the default if you use the unmodified sources. I was going to try and add a Prospero link to nic.funet.fi:/pub/amiga/x11/incoming/sobja104.lzh to point to the titan copy, but I can't seem to do that. If you use prospero, look in /VISTUAL-SYSTEMS/mcr/gnu/gcc/amiga/sobja104.lzh. -- :!mcr!: | The postmaster never | So much mail, Michael Richardson | resolves twice. | so little time. HOME: mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca Bell: (613) 237-5629 From amiga-x11-owner Thu Dec 12 16:57:10 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36508>; Thu, 12 Dec 1991 16:38:38 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: new additions to the ftp directory Message-Id: <91Dec12.163838eet.36508@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 16:38:32 +0200 With the latest additions, the following clients are now available on nic.funet.fi as ~pub/gnu/amiga/x11/clients/for_GfxBase_server/*: total 4512 -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 414566 Dec 3 21:32 OLclipboard.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 313034 Nov 25 15:53 PrProps.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 425299 Nov 25 15:53 Textedit.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 317533 Nov 25 15:53 WsProps.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 317691 Dec 3 21:36 XDesk.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 209560 Nov 25 15:53 XEngine.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 172081 Nov 25 15:53 XPClock.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 207799 Nov 25 15:53 XPostit.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 225694 Dec 3 21:41 XPostme.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 316567 Dec 3 22:03 XRooms.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 156918 Dec 11 00:43 XTartan.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 156918 Nov 25 15:53 XTartan.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 218277 Dec 11 00:53 XTetris.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 192396 Dec 11 01:02 XV.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 117916 Nov 25 15:53 Xgraph.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 218962 Nov 25 15:53 Xpeg.lzh -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci 428299 Dec 3 21:47 Xrolo.lzh Thanks again to Kent Polk! -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Thu Dec 12 23:52:31 1991 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36301>; Thu, 12 Dec 1991 23:19:44 +0200 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Thu, 12 Dec 91 16:09:50 -0500 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9112122109.AA04870@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Ummm.. no directory. To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 18:09:49 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] /pub/gnu is there, but /pub/gnu/amiga/ doesn't exist! -- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu np-pres@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nightshadow Productions) ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ From amiga-x11-owner Fri Dec 13 00:36:11 1991 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36305>; Thu, 12 Dec 1991 23:53:57 +0200 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Thu, 12 Dec 91 16:13:12 -0500 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9112122113.AA04889@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: X server To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 18:13:11 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Where on nic.funet.fi would I find a somewhat decent X11 server for my Amiga so I could run X clients that are on my account? -- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu np-pres@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nightshadow Productions) ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ From amiga-x11-owner Fri Dec 13 04:16:07 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36297>; Fri, 13 Dec 1991 04:05:42 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Tarador Dranon's message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 18:09:49 +0200 <9112122109.AA04870@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Ummm.. no directory. Message-Id: <91Dec13.040542eet.36297@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 04:05:33 +0200 >From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) >Subject: Ummm.. no directory. > >/pub/gnu is there, but /pub/gnu/amiga/ doesn't exist! > >-- >Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu Oops. Mea culpa! It is really ~pub/amiga/gnu etc. Probably time to install a symlinkin ~pub/gnu... -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Fri Dec 13 04:30:03 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36296>; Fri, 13 Dec 1991 04:16:17 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Tarador Dranon's message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 18:09:49 +0200 <9112122109.AA04870@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Oh, no! (was: Ummm.. no directory.) Message-Id: <91Dec13.041617eet.36296@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 04:09:39 +0200 A person on too little sleep wrote: >>From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) >>Subject: Ummm.. no directory. >> >>/pub/gnu is there, but /pub/gnu/amiga/ doesn't exist! >> >>-- >>Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu > >Oops. Mea culpa! It is really ~pub/amiga/gnu etc. Probably time to >install a symlinkin ~pub/gnu... > >-- Leonard Well, that is of course in itself correct, but *not* where the X clients are... They are in ~pub/amiga/x11/clients/for_GfxBase_server. This time I'm sure; it's `pwd` output cut & pasted here. :-) Sorry for the misonformation. -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Fri Dec 13 21:50:26 1991 Received: from csun.csun.edu ([130.166.1.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36349>; Fri, 13 Dec 1991 21:29:50 +0200 Received: from solaria.csun.edu by csun.csun.edu (4.0/1.34) id AA08087; Fri, 13 Dec 91 11:30:02 PST Received: from corona.phys by solaria.csun.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24283; Fri, 13 Dec 91 11:31:36 PST Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 21:31:36 +0200 From: swalton@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Message-Id: <9112131931.AA24283@solaria.csun.edu> Received: by corona.phys (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00746; Fri, 13 Dec 91 11:31:29 PST To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: <91Dec12.163838eet.36508@nic.funet.fi> Subject: new additions to the ftp directory Reply-To: swalton@solaria.csun.edu It would be nice if someone could post a one-line summary of what each of these newly available clients is, so those of us with limited time, RAM, and/or knowledge of X could make good choices of which ones to try. Steve Walton srw@csun.edu From amiga-x11-owner Fri Dec 20 15:39:57 1991 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36301>; Fri, 20 Dec 1991 15:24:55 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Tarador Dranon's message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 18:13:11 +0200 <9112122113.AA04889@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: X server Message-Id: <91Dec20.152455eet.36301@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 15:24:41 +0200 >From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) >Subject: X server >To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi > > Where on nic.funet.fi would I find a somewhat decent X11 server for >my Amiga so I could run X clients that are on my account? There still isn't a freeware X server for amigados. The clients currently available on nic.funet.fi are for the commercial X server by GfxBase. Are you there Dale? This reminds me that you once said you'd make your code for local connections available to the list, as to retain compatibility between the (future) freeware X server and the GfxBase one. Now would be a good time for this, or we might face dual X clients soon. (Again, writing an amiga b&w X server isn't all that hard, but nobody seems to actually have done it yet.) >Tarador Dranon sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu > np-pres@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nightshadow Productions) -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jan 22 23:56:07 1992 Received: from convex.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de ([134.99.128.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36490>; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 23:38:47 +0200 Received: from [134.99.32.2] by convex.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (5.64/1.34) id AA25114; Wed, 22 Jan 92 18:02:48 +0100 Received: from robbi.biokyb.uni-duesseldorf.de.biokyb.uni-duesseldorf.de by biokyb.uni-duesseldorf.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29438; Wed, 22 Jan 92 18:07:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1992 19:07:38 +0200 From: arnold@biokyb.uni-duesseldorf.de (Arnold Stender (0203-740242)) Message-Id: <9201221707.AA29438@biokyb.uni-duesseldorf.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUB AMIGA-X11 arnold@biokyb.uni-duesseldorf.de From amiga-x11-owner Wed Feb 26 11:25:16 1992 Received: from elwood.csh.rit.edu ([129.21.60.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36299>; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 11:01:36 +0200 Received: by elwood.csh.rit.edu (5.64/1.35) id AA19827; Wed, 26 Feb 92 03:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9202260858.AA19827@elwood.csh.rit.edu> From: scottl@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Scott Lawrence) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 10:58:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.1 12/20/90) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Hello Hello there. I am a 1st year college student who is constantly using xwindows on sun 3/50's, sun 3/80's and sparcs. I'd LOVE to be able to use X on my A1000. I'd love to try to help out in the project, but I don't know what I should do. Please reply and let me know. oh, also; could anyone recommend an Ethernet card for a 1000, or 500 ?. tnx -Scott Lawrence (-8 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- um... I can't think of any good quote to put here. scottl@nick.csh.rit.edu --==## Thrax Jr. ##==-- sdl7253@ultb.rit.edu From amiga-x11-owner Thu Feb 27 12:45:38 1992 Received: from top.cs.vu.nl ([130.37.24.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36300>; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 12:24:09 +0200 Received: from galjoen.cs.vu.nl by top.cs.vu.nl id aa11254; 27 Feb 92 11:24 MET Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 12:24:09 +0200 From: mlknol@cs.vu.nl To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-ID: <9202271124.aa23492@galjoen.cs.vu.nl> UNSUB AMIGA-X11 mlknol@cs.vu.nl From amiga-x11-owner Thu Feb 27 22:44:03 1992 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl ([146.50.4.20]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36749>; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:22:46 +0200 Received: by mail.fwi.uva.nl from gene.fwi.uva.nl with SMTP (5.65c(FWI)/2.0) id AA25635; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 21:22:33 +0100 Received: by gene.fwi.uva.nl id AA06710; Thu, 27 Feb 92 21:22:32 +0100 Message-Id: <9202272022.AA06710@gene.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:22:32 +0200 Return-Path: From: mvelzen@fwi.uva.nl (Marc van Velzen) X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Amsterdam Plantage Muidergracht 24 NL-1018 TV Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 5200 X-Telex: 16460 facwn nl X-Fax: +31 20 525 5101 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: unsub UNSUB AMIGA-X11 mvelzen@fwi.uva.nl From amiga-x11-owner Thu Feb 27 23:18:08 1992 Received: from Polaris.cc.utu.fi ([130.232.1.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <37161>; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:49:35 +0200 Received: by utu.fi id <58413>; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:49:14 +0200 Subject: Meaning of Conference From: Sami-Pekka Hallikas To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:49:12 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <92Feb27.224914eet.58413@utu.fi> I like to know what is meaning of this conference ? Is this conference for talking of softwares or is it just information of incomig softwares ? -- +------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ I Data Phone: +358-21-811024 I Fidonet : 2: 222/72@fidonet I I : 2400baud, 24h I Filmnet : 101:1358/72@filmnet I +------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ I Internet : Esemi@utu.fi (or Sami-Pekka.Hallikas@utu.fi) I I Post : Kuloistenkoulu as 8, 21280 Raisio, Finland I +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 00:05:53 1992 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <38613>; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 23:49:54 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Marc van Velzen's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:22:32 +0200 <9202272022.AA06710@gene.fwi.uva.nl> Subject: How to unsubscribe Message-Id: <92Feb27.234954eet.38613@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 23:18:33 +0200 > UNSUB AMIGA-X11 name@foo.bar.etc The above is otherwise right, but please do not send unsubscribe messages to amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, they should go to mailserver@nic.funet.fi. For help on other automatic functions, send a message with HELP in the mail body to mailserver@nic.funet.fi, and you'll receive an automatic reply. Thanks, -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 01:14:20 1992 Received: from lynx ([192.41.146.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36301>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:57:53 +0200 Received: from regulus.csis.dit.csiro.au by lynx (4.1/1.0) id AA15378; Fri, 28 Feb 92 09:54:18 EST Received: by regulus.csis.dit.csiro.au (4.1/1.0) id AA25786; Fri, 28 Feb 92 09:54:09 EST Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 16:54:09 +0200 From: dave@csis.dit.csiro.au Message-Id: <9202272254.AA25786@regulus.csis.dit.csiro.au> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME mailserver@nic.funet.fi refuses to unsubscribe me I sent it: UNSUB AMIGA-X11 dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au and got back: WARNING: Extra argument for UNSUB ignored! -- BADREALNAME -- IMPOSSIBLE RESULT ON DELETE OPERATION. BUG! I sent it: UNSUB AMIGA-X11 and got back: > UNSUB AMIGA-X11 Fuzzy match: `dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au' `(David Campbell)' Fuzzy match: `drum3!dave@deakin.OZ.AU' `(David Varley)' Match was Fuzzy, thus above listing of addresses is only result from this `UNSUB AMIGA-X11' request. You have NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM LIST! Fuzzy match: `dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au' `(David Campbell)' Thats me!! I even got in there and talked to sendmail directly to try and convince it that I am dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au and got back some other rubbish. Thanks.... +--------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | Dave Campbell | UNIX & C++ | | Phone: + 61 6 275 0944 Fax: + 61 6 257 1052 | _--_|\ PLEASE | | CSIRO Division of Information Technology | / \ | | Centre for Spatial Information Systems | \_.--._/ <- Canberra | | PO BOX 664 | v | | CANBERRA ACT 2601 +------------------------+ | | AUSTRALIA | dave@csis.dit.csiro.au | | +-------------------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | COBOL programmers never die; they're already dead. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 02:21:26 1992 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36311>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:11:13 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: dave@csis.dit.csiro.au CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: dave@csis.dit.csiro.au's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1992 16:54:09 +0200 <9202272254.AA25786@regulus.csis.dit.csiro.au> Subject: PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME Message-Id: <92Feb28.021113eet.36311@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:11:01 +0200 > Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 16:54:09 +0200 > From: dave@csis.dit.csiro.au ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > [...] > I sent it: > > UNSUB AMIGA-X11 > > and got back: > > > UNSUB AMIGA-X11 > Fuzzy match: `dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au' `(David Campbell)' > Fuzzy match: `drum3!dave@deakin.OZ.AU' `(David Varley)' > Match was Fuzzy, thus above listing of addresses is only result from this > `UNSUB AMIGA-X11' request. You have NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM LIST! > > > Fuzzy match: `dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au' `(David Campbell)' > Thats me!! Log in on your local host "pavo", and send the mail from there instead of from "csis". The mailserver verifies that the unsubscribe message is sent from the same host the messages are delivered to (to prevent easy misuse of the unsubscribe function, I guess). > I even got in there and talked to sendmail directly to try and convince it > that I am dave@pavo.csis.dit.csiro.au and got back some other rubbish. Yes, but you can't convince the smptd that your host address (for csis) is that of pavo. The wonders of tcp/ip address reversal... :-) Come on people, how about some discussion on X11 instead of finding out how to unsubscribe? Please! Don't send *any* requests to the list. If you need help with the mailserver commands, send HELP to mailserver@nic.funet.fi. If you *must* ask a human being, send mail to amiga-x11-request@nic.funet.fi, not to the list! Phew, -- Leonard From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 02:32:46 1992 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <36310>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:24:54 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: Esemi@utu.fi CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Sami-Pekka Hallikas's message of Thu, 27 Feb 1992 22:49:12 +0200 <92Feb27.224914eet.58413@utu.fi> Subject: Meaning of Conference Message-Id: <92Feb28.022454eet.36310@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:24:50 +0200 The purpose of this conference is to provide a forum for discussion regarding the windowing system X, its use on the Amiga, issues related to creating a freely distributable X server for the Amiga and so on. For example, has anyone tried out any new strategies on overcoming the problem regarding Imakefiles containing /bin/sh scripts? I e-mailed with Steve Koren, author of the shell SKsh which is Korn shell compatible. He said he hoped to have a new release of SKsh ready in a couple of months, the new version would use the new 2.0 shell hooks, so as to finally remove this obstacle for us X programmers. Currently the only clean way to compile the X server seems to be to do on a unix system, using a cross compiler. As you might already know, GCC 2.0 was released a couple of days ago, patches for both running it natively on an amiga under amigados as well as for cross-compiling from another system (ie. unix) should be ready soon. Thus, until the new version of SKsh is released we can work with GCC 2.0 under unix. Has anyone already ;-) been working on the black and white server? If so, please write a few lines, I guess many are still eager to help out. -- Leonard From Amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 02:40:34 1992 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.31]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36313>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:33:03 +0200 Received: from hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 19:32:54 -0500 Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (15.11/4.0) id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 19:30:47 est From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <9202280030.AA01859@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Let's have some X11 discussion To: Amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:30:46 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] With Matt Dillon's Amiga port of BSD 4.4 soon to be released that should give new life to this list.. as he says that X will not initially be included.. Should be interesting :) I hope it will work with 2000's with MMU's/030's as well as the 3000. Has anyone out there, just to set the record straight, ever actually *started* developing an AmigaDOs X environment? Just curious.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Patti | feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu: A guest of the Free Software Foundation =========#include ========= "War is a symphony of destruction, orchestrated by few, paid for by many." -A TIME LIFE Video commercial From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 02:55:14 1992 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.31]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36337>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:47:10 +0200 Received: from hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 19:46:56 -0500 Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (15.11/4.0) id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 19:44:49 est Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:44:49 +0200 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <9202280044.AA01879@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: vinsci@nic.funet.fi Cc: Esemi@utu.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: Leonard Norrgard's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:24:50 +0200 <92Feb28.022454eet.36310@nic.funet.fi> Subject: Meaning of Conference > Has anyone already ;-) been working on the black and white server? If > so, please write a few lines, I guess many are still eager to help > out. Indeed. I am.. If someone were to hand out manageable chunks of the project I know there are others like myself who would be thrilled to help... From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 03:12:35 1992 Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.34]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36341>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:55:34 +0200 Received: by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 19:55:19 -0500 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Tarador Dranon) Message-Id: <9202280055.AA04968@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Matt's BSD4.4 for Amiga To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1992 21:55:17 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Speaking of Dillon's BSD4.4... what's it like? Is it PD? Shareware? What does it consist of..? And if it's not PD, how much is it? -- ------------------------------ sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu ----------------------------- Giving me an account is like giving | Tarador Fernigus Dranon a torch to a pyromaniac. | Vallen Software ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 03:30:42 1992 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.31]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36440>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 03:19:59 +0200 Received: from hill.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 20:18:51 -0500 Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (15.11/4.0) id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 20:16:45 est Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 03:16:45 +0200 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <9202280116.AA01924@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: vinsci@nic.funet.fi Cc: Esemi@utu.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: Leonard Norrgard's message of Fri, 28 Feb 1992 02:24:50 +0200 <92Feb28.022454eet.36310@nic.funet.fi> Subject: Meaning of Conference > Has anyone already ;-) been working on the black and white server? If > so, please write a few lines, I guess many are still eager to help > out. Indeed. I am.. If someone were to hand out manageable chunks of the project I know there are others like myself who would be thrilled to help... From amiga-x11-owner Fri Feb 28 22:56:04 1992 Received: from rutgers.edu ([128.6.21.9]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36315>; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 22:32:33 +0200 Received: from ogicse.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA02336; Fri, 28 Feb 92 14:20:32 EST Received: by cse.ogi.edu (5.61+eap+OGI_1.1.named/IDA-1.2.8+OGI_1.12) id AA08274; Fri, 28 Feb 92 11:00:28 -0800 Received: by cadre.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.6) id ; Fri, 28 Feb 92 10:54 PST Message-Id: Received: from fripp (eno) by cadreri (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14480; Fri, 28 Feb 92 13:41:39 EST Received: from xtc.fripp by fripp (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09076; Fri, 28 Feb 92 13:46:27 EST Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1992 20:46:27 +0200 From: jh%cadreri@cadre.com (Joe Hartley) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Is there a FAQ list? Having come in in the middle of it all :-) I'm wondering if there's a Frequently Asked Questions list for this group. My specific questions are along these lines: 1) What software is available for X on the Amiga, in both client and server flavors? 2) Of the software that's out there, what's free and what's commercial? 3) What's the minimum I need to run X on an Amiga (in terms of software)? Does this change if I have a UNIX box available as an X server? 4) Is there a way to run Amiga X clients over a serial line to a server? That's pretty basic, and I think a FAQ might be a good idea. If there isn't one, then I guess I could maintain one, as the data floods in ;-) =============================================================================== Joe Hartley | jh@cadre.com - Whenever you find that you are on the Cadre Technologies | side of the majority, it is time to reform. - M. Twain 222 Richmond St. | -------------------------------------------------------- Providence, RI 02903 | Overman 1st Class - the Kilgore Trout Memorial Clench (401) 351-5950 x266 | of the Church of the SubGenius =============================================================================== From amiga-x11-owner Thu Mar 5 23:13:57 1992 Received: from csun.edu ([130.166.1.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36494>; Thu, 5 Mar 1992 22:56:32 +0200 Received: from solaria.csun.edu by csun.edu (4.0/1.34) id AA01549; Thu, 5 Mar 92 12:55:42 PST Received: from aurora.phys by solaria.csun.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13520; Thu, 5 Mar 92 12:59:01 PST Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1992 22:59:01 +0200 From: swalton@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Message-Id: <9203052059.AA13520@solaria.csun.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Starting X I've waded through much of the FAQ list on comp.windows.x, and still have some questions, particularly on suggestions for the "best" way to set up GfxBase X on my Amiga. (Those who don't have it need read no farther.) I have one Amiga 2500 and one A3000 on which GfxBase X is installed; they are hooked via the CBM AS225 software and Ethernet to Sun-3's with SunOS 4.1.1 and OpenWindows V2.0. I'm an X novice, pretty much, but have been an Amiga user since early 1986 (i.e., I still have my KS/WB 1.1 floppies) and have used SunView quite a bit as well. Ideally, I'd like roughly similar environments when I'm running Workbench, GfxBase X, or X when sitting at a Sun workstation. So... 1) What are people using for a window manager? To maintain compatibility, I've been trying to use olwm, but find it *very* slow, especially on color screens. twm is much faster, but works enough differently than olwm that I'd either want to use twm when on the Suns directly or set up twm so it works a lot like olwm. Suggestions? 2) Many of the OpenWindows tools depend on a NeWS server; even those that I've been told don't (mailtool, cmdtool) don't seem to want to work under GfxBase X, even when running olwm. Ideas? Suggestions? (I gather NeWS is a display PostScript interpreter; could something running on top of Aylward's Post program be set up to be a quick-and-dirty NeWS server?) 3) I happen to be the system manager for the Suns on which I'm running. Should I get X11R5 for them? How about XView? (What is XView, anyway?) I'm not interested in supporting multiple window systems; I want a "one size fits all" solution for both other users and myself. Given that Sun apparently will never port OpenWindows 3.0 to Sun-3 hardware, I'm inclined to chuck OW 2.0 and get X11R5 up. Will I regret the effort? 4) I got bam 1.0 from comp.sources.x, hoping to use it to set up menus for Gnu Emacs (we have 18.58 compiled with gcc 2.0). However, when running either twm or olwm under GfxBase X, I get no menus. I gather it uses XView; would I need the XView product which runs under GfxBase X to use it? Is anyone else using the Amiga XView? How much is it? How do you like it? Would it fix any of the above troubles? I'm sorry for the length of this; probably best if you all answer me directly via e-mail, and I'll post a summary to the mailing list in a week or so. Thanks! Steve Walton srw@csun.edu From amiga-x11-owner Fri Mar 6 15:17:43 1992 Received: from MATHSUN17.MATH.UTK.EDU ([128.169.200.117]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36562>; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 14:47:17 +0200 Received: from LOCALHOST.utk.edu by MATHSUN17.MATH.UTK.EDU with SMTP (5.61++/2.6c-UTK) id AA03353; Fri, 6 Mar 92 07:42:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9203061242.AA03353@MATHSUN17.MATH.UTK.EDU> To: swalton@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, mckeehan@math.utk.edu Subject: Re: Starting X In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Mar 92 22:59:01 +0200." <9203052059.AA13520@solaria.csun.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1992 14:42:33 +0200 From: mckeehan@math.utk.edu I can't tell you anything about the Amiga part of it, but I am connected to a network of Suns (everything from 3/50 - 4/260) and we recently got X11R5 and XView setup...with OLWM, I can run The OpenWindows2.0 Calendar Manager, File Manager and the cmdtool. Notice that most of these clients have been modified...I believe. If you want to know more, give me some Sun specific questions and I'll take them to my system manager (he understands most of this stuff). Later :) \ / /\ /\ | // Only | Internet: mckeehan@math.utk.edu \/\/illiam / \/ \cKeehan | \X/ Amiga!| Bitnet: mckeehan@utkvx -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Telephone: (615) 974 - 4333 Fax: (615) 974 - 6576 Mail: Mathematics Department, 121 Ayres Hall, Knoxville, TN 37996-1300 From amiga-x11-owner Fri Mar 6 18:37:18 1992 Received: from vortex.eng.umd.edu ([128.8.133.6]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36525>; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 18:22:43 +0200 Received: by vortex.eng.umd.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4) with SMTP id AA17264; Fri, 6 Mar 1992 11:20:43 -0500 Rcpt to:mailed to Message-Id: <199203061620.AA17264@vortex.eng.umd.edu> To: swalton@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Starting X In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Mar 1992 22:59:01 +0200." <9203052059.AA13520@solaria.csun.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1992 18:20:39 +0200 From: "Stripes (or Josh, if you must)" Stephen Walton said: [...] >1) What are people using for a window manager? To maintain compatibility, >I've been trying to use olwm, but find it *very* slow, especially on >color screens. twm is much faster, but works enough differently than >olwm that I'd either want to use twm when on the Suns directly or set >up twm so it works a lot like olwm. Suggestions? I use tvtwm on Suns, and twm elsewhere. >2) Many of the OpenWindows tools depend on a NeWS server; even those >that I've been told don't (mailtool, cmdtool) don't seem to want to >work under GfxBase X, even when running olwm. Ideas? Suggestions? They don't need NeWS, but they DO need some fonts that I assume GFXbase doesn't come with. Find all the .bdf's for the X/NeWS fonts, and read the GFXbase instructions on adding fonts. >(I gather NeWS is a display PostScript interpreter; could something >running on top of Aylward's Post program be set up to be a quick-and-dirty >NeWS server?) I don't think it would help. The only things that arn't demos and use NeWS are useful use NeWS AND X in the same window. (AnswerBook and pageview). >3) I happen to be the system manager for the Suns on which I'm >running. Should I get X11R5 for them? How about XView? (What is >XView, anyway?) I'm not interested in supporting multiple window >systems; I want a "one size fits all" solution for both other users >and myself. Given that Sun apparently will never port OpenWindows 3.0 >to Sun-3 hardware, I'm inclined to chuck OW 2.0 and get X11R5 up. Will >I regret the effort? Nope, that's what I do (well R5 at work, and R4 at home, soon to be R5 everywhere). I have XView everywhere as well, because it is a easy to learn "toolkit", it is not an application. A few good applications need it to build (xvgr a grapher, and some ftptool thing that's marganly more useful then raw ftp). >4) I got bam 1.0 from comp.sources.x, hoping to use it to set up menus >for Gnu Emacs (we have 18.58 compiled with gcc 2.0). However, when >running either twm or olwm under GfxBase X, I get no menus. I gather >it uses XView; would I need the XView product which runs under GfxBase I get menus with XView stuff under twm. XView is fairly well behaved under all WM's I have used. >X to use it? Is anyone else using the Amiga XView? How much is it? >How do you like it? Would it fix any of the above troubles? [...] -- stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Multitasking for MS-DOS" "The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood "NFS only behaves properly..." - jik@athena "...when the computer is not drawing power." - rbj@uunet From amiga-x11-owner Tue Mar 10 01:19:47 1992 Received: from csun.edu ([130.166.1.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36544>; Tue, 10 Mar 1992 01:01:08 +0200 Received: from solaria.csun.edu by csun.edu (4.0/1.34) id AA07525; Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:00:40 PST Received: from aurora.phys by solaria.csun.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16695; Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:04:02 PST Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1992 01:04:02 +0200 From: swalton@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Message-Id: <9203092304.AA16695@solaria.csun.edu> Received: by aurora.phys (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00854; Mon, 9 Mar 92 15:03:37 PST To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: X Questions answered Reply-To: swalton@solaria.csun.edu As promised, here is my followup to my list of X questions. Thanks go to Kent Polk, Leonard Norrgard, and "Stripes" who responded. I answered one or two myself, and one or two via email. First of all, the respondents are divided between twm and olwm, perhaps reflecting my own ambiguity. All agreed that olwm's update speed is rather slow, though Kent said that the latest version of GfxBase's X server (now in beta) is much better in this regard. I have found, myself, that using the -2d switch on olwm, even when running it on a color screen, helps a good deal. (I thought this would be a standard XView switch, but most apps don't seem to have it. Is there an equivalent?) No doubt, thought, that twm is much faster. What genius chose shapes for the OpenLook buttons and menu items such that you can't highlight them with a simple blit, because they're not rectangles? Most of the Sun OpenWindows tools do not depend on a PostScript interpreter, and others were running them. I just discovered, myself, that specifying the colors appropriately does the trick. "man xview" on the Sun claims that "-fg black -bg white" is the default, but I've found that I have to explicitly specify them to avoid complaints about not being able to allocate colors from the Sun XView library. So, things like mailtool, filemgr, and so on now work with GfxBase X. I'm not sure why this should be; this BAM package (Born-Again Menus) which I got for GNU Emacs works fine without this. One person said he'd chucked OpenWindows and installed X11R5 without problems or complaints, which I can believe. BTW, I guess I misunderstood what Xview was about: it is a subroutine library for rendering menus, buttons, and so on in an OpenLook-ish way. So you don't need Amiga XView to run programs on a remote machine which produce these images on an Amiga X server. BAM now works, and looks interesting. Thanks again; hope this ramble helps someone else. Steve From amiga-x11-owner Sat Apr 4 02:13:28 1992 Received: from tacky.cs.olemiss.edu ([130.74.96.13]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36747>; Sat, 4 Apr 1992 01:50:09 +0300 Received: by tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05506; Fri, 3 Apr 92 16:48:02 CST Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 01:48:02 +0300 From: Skip 'AdaX' Sauls Message-Id: <9204032248.AA05506@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Skip Sauls From amiga-x11-owner Tue Apr 14 06:11:33 1992 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.31]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36828>; Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:50:44 +0300 Received: from hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:50:18 -0400 Received: by hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.0) id ; Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:50:16 -0400 From: feoh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <9204140250.AA28238@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Matt Dillon's Free Amiga BSD To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:50:16 +0300 does anyone think they'll be interested in doing an X port when Matt Dillon comes out with his Free BSD port for the Amiga ? Should be impressive, though he says it's only (initially) for the 3000.. I wonder what the actual *hardware* differences are between a 3000, '030+MMU and a 2000 with an '030+mmu From amiga-x11-owner Tue Apr 21 00:50:52 1992 Received: from udel.edu ([128.175.1.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36935>; Tue, 21 Apr 1992 00:37:19 +0300 Received: from freezer.acs.udel.edu by louie.udel.edu id aa05325; 20 Apr 92 17:36 EDT Received: from chocolate.cns.udel.edu by freezer.cns.udel.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08268; Mon, 20 Apr 92 17:36:39 EDT Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1992 00:36:39 +0300 From: chris mullins Message-Id: <9204202136.AA08268@freezer.cns.udel.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: please add me to the amiga x11 list my address is: chumly@freezer.cns.udel.edu Thank you! Chumly  From amiga-x11-owner Thu Apr 30 12:37:36 1992 Received: from dfvgate.lrz-muenchen.de ([129.187.10.25]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36986>; Thu, 30 Apr 1992 12:13:24 +0300 X400-Received: by /PRMD=lrz-muenchen/ADMD=dbp/C=de/; Relayed; 30 Apr 92 11:11:31 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1992 14:11:31 +0300 From: reiner IRIS Benutzer Message-ID: <9204300911.AA01977@iris.lrz-muenchen.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Help HELP From amiga-x11-owner Fri May 1 01:37:44 1992 Received: from macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au ([137.111.160.6]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36987>; Fri, 1 May 1992 01:30:49 +0300 Received: from mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au by macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (5.64+/1.1) id AA14370; Fri, 1 May 92 08:25:28 +1000 Received: from ipc15.mpce.mq.edu.au by mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10758; Fri, 1 May 92 08:25:31 EST Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 16:25:31 +0300 From: s8925318@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au Message-Id: <9204302225.AA10758@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Steven TRAN From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 14 18:03:33 1992 Received: from figbox.funet.fi ([128.214.6.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36364>; Thu, 14 May 1992 17:23:54 +0300 Received: from ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (icsia.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU) by FIGBOX.FUNET.FI (PMDF #12388) id <01GJZ9WR0OXC003CC6@FIGBOX.FUNET.FI>; Wed, 13 May 1992 22:48 GMT Received: from icsib61.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU by ICSI.Berkeley.EDU with SMTP id AA15476 (5.65c/ICSI1.3 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi); Wed, 13 May 1992 15:48:45 -0700 Received: by icsib61.ICSI.berkeley.edu (Sun-4.1/CLIENT$Revision: 1.4 $) id AA02698; Wed, 13 May 92 15:48:43 PDT Date: Thu, 14 May 1992 01:48:43 +0300 From: Alex Nguyen Subject: add to mailing list (Amiga X11) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <9205132248.AA02698@icsib61.ICSI.berkeley.edu> Please add "xnguyen@icsi.berkeley.edu" to the Amiga X11 list. Thanks! Alex From amiga-x11-owner Tue May 19 06:24:17 1992 Received: from wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu ([128.52.46.35]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36306>; Tue, 19 May 1992 06:13:57 +0300 Received: by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) id ; Mon, 18 May 92 23:13:49 -0400 From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ominous Unbearded Guy) Message-Id: <9205190313.AA27112@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Hey. :) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 19 May 1992 02:13:48 +0300 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] How's the Amiga X11R5 project coming along? -- ------------------------------ sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu ----------------------------- Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee How creative. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! From amiga-x11-owner Tue May 19 10:31:02 1992 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([137.39.1.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36310>; Tue, 19 May 1992 10:11:20 +0300 Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA23386; Tue, 19 May 92 03:11:16 -0400 Received: from sco.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 031040.16519; Tue, 19 May 1992 03:10:40 EDT Received: from scorpion.sco.COM by sco.sco.COM id aa13359; Mon, 18 May 92 22:14:50 PDT From: Bob Davis To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Hey. :) X-Mailer: SCO Portfolio 2.0 Date: Tue, 19 May 1992 08:10:33 +0300 Message-Id: <9205182213.aa24671@scorpion.sco.COM> Please remove pavelr@sco.com from this mailing list. He is no longer with the company. Thanks, bobd ================================================================================ Bob Davis SCO X Server Development Manager 400 Encinal St., PO Box 1900 Desktop Engineering Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1900 ..uunet!sco!bobd or bobd@sco.COM (408) 427-7766 From amiga-x11-owner Sun Jun 7 19:29:51 1992 Received: from relay.cs.toronto.edu ([128.100.1.105]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <36438>; Sun, 7 Jun 1992 19:20:55 +0300 Received: by relay.cs.toronto.edu with UUCP id <150199>; Sun, 7 Jun 1992 12:20:46 -0400 Received: by news.lsuc.on.ca (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.7) id ; Sun, 7 Jun 92 12:35 EDT Received: by cherni.Cherniak.ON.CA (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA10200; Sun, 7 Jun 92 12:02:43 EDT (-0400) Subject: delete To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1992 19:02:42 +0300 From: Norman Branitsky X-Organization: Cherniak Giblon X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL0] Message-Id: <9206071202.AA10198@cherni.Cherniak.ON.CA> Please remove flynn@Cherniak.ON.CA ...!lsuc!cherni!flynn from this mailing list. He is no longer with the company. TIA -- Norman Branitsky, norman@Cherniak.ON.CA, UUCP: ..!lsuc!cherniak!norman +1 416 771 7011, FAX +1 416 771 6288 Cherniak Giblon 10 Commerce Valley Dr. E. #400, Thornhill, Ont. CANADA L3T 7N7 From amiga-x11-owner Wed Apr 21 22:01:55 1993 Received: from dcs.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.160.108]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91989-5>; Wed, 21 Apr 1993 21:23:28 +0300 Received: from colonsay.dcs.ed.ac.uk by dcs.ed.ac.uk id aa00861; 21 Apr 93 18:55 BST Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 20:55:39 +0300 Message-Id: <28907.9304211755@colonsay.dcs.ed.ac.uk> From: David Crooke Sender: dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi From: David Crooke Subject: Add to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk From amiga-x11-owner Thu Apr 22 02:14:02 1993 Received: from tacky.cs.olemiss.edu ([130.74.96.13]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91765-4>; Thu, 22 Apr 1993 01:54:10 +0300 Received: by tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17300; Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:38:05 CDT Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 00:38:05 +0300 From: Skip Sauls Message-Id: <9304212138.AA17300@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please take me off the mailing list. Skip Sauls skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu From amiga-x11-owner Thu Apr 22 03:53:35 1993 Received: from B.PSC.EDU ([128.182.66.102]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91931-8>; Thu, 22 Apr 1993 03:43:54 +0300 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 03:43:47 +0300 From: EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi CC: EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU Message-Id: <930421204347.20409f8a@B.PSC.EDU> Subject: progress with Amiga X11 port with gcc 2.3.3 I have been working with gcc2.3.3 and the mit X11 sources. With some beta network support via Markus Wild, I have been able to compile the basic X libraries, and can now run some trivial X11 programs on a remote server (old workstation): x11perf & xwininfo work using the -server switch for the remote machine across the ethernet. More advanced programs (use toolkits) currently compile, but can't find the server. I'll continue working on this, and after I can run such programs on a remote machine, I'll work on a amiga 'screen' server for local usage. For those looking for projects: Update Markus Wild's pdksh to the most recent version. Create a full set of programs under GCC ixemul.library that work with pdksh. I had to do quicky ports of cp, ln, basename, etc. I'd like to see a more complete and tested set of utilities based on the BSD or GNU sources, which don't try to use amiga wildcards, etc. With ixemul.library, we should be able to leave UNIX based makefiles intact... Misc. other topics: I guess I'll have to build shared library versions of the X libs. -----rwed 93-04-21 02:38:11 984 496732 xclock -----rwed 93-04-21 02:36:35 1072 541304 xcalc Kind of large for your basic clock and calculator programs... -Ed Berger eberger@psc.edu eb15@andrew.cmu.edu From amiga-x11-owner Fri Apr 23 18:10:30 1993 Received: from athmail1 ([143.117.254.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92008-1>; Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:48:42 +0300 Received: by athmail1 id AA21321; Fri, 23 Apr 93 15:44:58 +0100 From: p9166475@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Received: by ash44 (5.57/4.7) id AA00840; Fri, 23 Apr 93 15:44:39 +0100 Message-Id: <9304231444.AA00840@ash44> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Learning about the X system. Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:44:38 +0300 Hi there. My name is Gavan Moran and I`m a postgrad at QUB Belfast NI. I`ve seen a lot of articles about the benefits of the X system and I`m really keen to learn more. However, there doesn`t seem to be much info around on the subject. I reckon that there must be an online source of X11 information somewhere on the InterNet and I`d be really greatful if someone could tell me where to find it. I`m an avid Amiga user and I think that having a full implementation of X11 would make to Amiga considerably more attractive to professionals. A lot of what I see on the X11 mailing list is interesting, but without some background I can`t hope to participate in any meaningful way. Be seeing you, Gavan. p9166475@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk From amiga-x11-owner Mon Apr 26 01:30:43 1993 Received: from mcsun.EU.net ([192.16.202.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91193-7>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 01:12:45 +0300 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet id AA04995 (5.65b/CWI-2.217); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 00:12:35 +0200 Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA27971; Sun, 25 Apr 93 18:06:37 -0400 Received: from deepthought.cs.utexas.edu by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.14/uucp) with SMTP id AA21598; Sun, 25 Apr 93 17:06:26 -0500 Received: from utacfd.uta.edu by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA29649; Sun, 25 Apr 93 17:06:42 -0500 Received: by utacfd.uta.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Sun, 25 Apr 93 16:52 CDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Sun, 25 Apr 93 08:12 CDT Received: by woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG (//\\migaUUCP Plus 1.02) id AA09086; Sun, 25 Apr 93 07:29:52 CDT In-Reply-To: <930421204347.20409f8a@B.PSC.EDU> (from EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU) (at Thu, 22 Apr 1993 03:43:47 +0300) X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 1.18) Organization: //\\miga\\X//oodwrkshop Content-Length: 4860 Message-Id: <25Apr930729.AA09086@woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 15:29:49 +0300 From: dick@woodwrk.lonestar.org (Richard H. Wood) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Cc: EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU Subject: Re: progress with Amiga X11 port with gcc 2.3.3 In <930421204347.20409f8a@B.PSC.EDU> on Apr 22 EBERGER (Ed Berger) wrote: > I have been working with gcc2.3.3 and the mit X11 sources. > With some beta network support via Markus Wild, I have been able to > compile the basic X libraries, and ... > > For those looking for projects: > Update Markus Wild's pdksh to the most recent version. I started doing this but found I didn't have the expertice (or time) to familiarize myself with the Amiga-specific i/o part. I was trying to figure out why I can never "break" (with ^C) programs run within pdksh like when run within Amiga shell. > Create a full set of programs under GCC ixemul.library that work > with pdksh. I had to do quicky ports of cp, ln, basename, etc. > I'd like to see a more complete and tested set of utilities based > on the BSD or GNU sources, which don't try to use amiga wildcards, > etc. With ixemul.library, we should be able to leave UNIX based > makefiles intact... > -Ed Berger > eberger@psc.edu > eb15@andrew.cmu.edu I've done this. But what I have is HUGE when archived with lha. And to complicate things, I don't have FTP access. If someone has any suggestions as to how to share (i.e.. transport) my work, please let me know. We are progably talking about a few megabytes of binaries; and with sources and (formated) man pages it climbs to several megabytes. Here are some possibilities I can think of. I have metamail (but I'm not really cleaver with it yet). I have a tape drive. Perhaps someone with a tape who has FTP access could help out. Here's a list of the gnu archives I have. Things I have built but not installed (i.e., not got working for some reason) are marked with '*'. Things I've not gotten around to building (some don't come with 'install' scripts and require a lot more of my time to make) are marked with '**': woodwrk $ ls -la /usr/src/gnu (this is gnu ls from fileutils-3.4, btw) total 5770 drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Dec 24 21:18 bash-1.12 * -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 457231 Dec 7 07:49 bison-1.19.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 24 06:48 cvs-1.3 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 297356 Nov 15 14:16 diff-2.0.amiga.lha -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 105806 Dec 5 18:50 egrep.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Mar 2 05:33 fileutils-3.4 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 560277 Dec 6 08:37 fileutils-3.4-alpha.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Dec 16 06:29 find-3.7 * -rwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 192919 Dec 14 06:28 find-3.7.lha * -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 725248 Dec 7 07:24 gawk-2.13.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Feb 25 07:16 gcc drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 23 06:15 gdbm-1.5 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 207590 Dec 7 07:58 gdbm-1.5.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Feb 2 08:39 make-3.62.22 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 598853 Dec 7 07:32 make-3.62.22.lha -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 140859 Dec 6 19:39 patch-2.0.12u6.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Dec 4 06:16 rcs-5.6 drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 15 07:20 sed-1.13 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 106085 Dec 5 18:47 sed-1.13.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Feb 1 05:42 shellutils-1.8 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 251676 Dec 6 12:49 shellutils-1.8.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Feb 23 06:44 tar-1.11.1 -rwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 873095 Feb 23 06:24 tar-1.11.1.tar.Z drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Feb 6 06:51 taylor-uucp-gamma1.04 ** drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Dec 3 21:35 texinfo-2.16 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 246200 Dec 6 12:38 textutils-1.3.lha drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Feb 7 12:12 uucp-1.03 (taylor) ** If your're not familiar with the gnu packaging (of the 'xxxxutils-x.y.lha') let me just mention that the ones I have feel quite complete with regards to the requirements of the makefiles I've encountered. (That's what your after, isn't it, Ed?) Also, I've tried one bsd "grouping" - the man stuff, which I didn't fine in any of the gnu archives. It built nicely, but, when the program issues a system(3) function call to the environment-specified PAGER (from a pdksh shell), no output is displayed. Seemed to work okay from an amigados shell, but not from pdksh for some reason. I've been stumped to figure out why so far. All in all, though, I've had lot's of fun doing all this stuff. I'm really happy to have Markus' work (and extremely happy that he did it). Well, enough ramblings for now. -dick Richard H. Wood Become an +1 214 530 2595 246 Bancroft Drive Organ // uunet!digi!woodwrk!dick Garland, Texas 75040 Donor \\// dick@woodwrk.LoneStar.org From amiga-x11-owner Mon Apr 26 16:55:43 1993 Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de ([129.13.10.90]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91235-3>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 16:41:07 +0300 Received: from sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de by iraun1.ira.uka.de with SMTP (PP) id <27483-0@iraun1.ira.uka.de>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:32:39 +0200 Received: from inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de by sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (5.65+/v1.0) id AA05072; Mon, 26 Apr 93 14:32:33 +0200 Received: from 134.96.16.38 (inmsys2) by inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24040; Mon, 26 Apr 93 14:27:38 +0200 Message-Id: <9304261227.AA24040@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:33:59 +0300 To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi From: backes@inm.uni-sb.de (Werner Backes) X-Sender: backes@inmsol Subject: X-Mailer: From amiga-x11-owner Mon Apr 26 16:55:44 1993 Received: from iraun1.ira.uka.de ([129.13.10.90]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91199-9>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 16:41:23 +0300 Received: from sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de by iraun1.ira.uka.de with SMTP (PP) id <27529-0@iraun1.ira.uka.de>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:35:51 +0200 Received: from inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de by sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (5.65+/v1.0) id AA05277; Mon, 26 Apr 93 14:35:40 +0200 Received: from 134.96.16.38 (inmsys2) by inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24045; Mon, 26 Apr 93 14:30:46 +0200 Message-Id: <9304261230.AA24045@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:37:06 +0300 To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi From: backes@inm.uni-sb.de (Werner Backes) X-Sender: backes@inmsol Subject: Re: X-Mailer: X-Mn-Info: channel From amiga-x11-owner Tue Apr 27 18:37:29 1993 Received: from mcsun.EU.net ([192.16.202.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91263-9>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:15:33 +0300 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet id AA06126 (5.65b/CWI-2.217); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:14:52 +0200 Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA04236; Tue, 27 Apr 93 11:13:24 -0400 Received: from deepthought.cs.utexas.edu by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.14/uucp) with SMTP id AA12721; Tue, 27 Apr 93 10:13:09 -0500 Received: from utacfd.uta.edu by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA17819; Tue, 27 Apr 93 10:13:26 -0500 Received: by utacfd.uta.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 27 Apr 93 09:43 CDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Tue, 27 Apr 93 07:28 CDT Received: from letni by woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG (//\\migaUUCP Plus 1.02) id AA09105; Mon, 26 Apr 93 18:37:44 CDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:50 CDT Received: by seas.smu.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.6) id ; Mon, 26 Apr 93 12:27 EDT Received: by amiga.physik.unizh.ch id AA14917 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for woodwrk.lonestar.org!nic.funet.fi!amiga-x11); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:26:46 GMT Received: by godzilla id AA00265 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:45:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <25Apr930729.AA09086@woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG> from "Richard H. Wood" at Apr 25, 93 02:29:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 3390 Message-Id: <199304261645.AA00265@godzilla> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:45:45 +0300 From: Markus Wild To: dick@woodwrk.lonestar.org (Richard H. Wood) Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, EBERGER@B.PSC.edu Subject: Re: progress with Amiga X11 port with gcc 2.3.3 > > Update Markus Wild's pdksh to the most recent version. > > I started doing this but found I didn't have the expertice > (or time) to familiarize myself with the Amiga-specific i/o part. > I was trying to figure out why I can never "break" (with ^C) programs > run within pdksh like when run within Amiga shell. The problem is non-trivial: - Amiga shells usually run programs in the context of the shell, ie. they do RunCommand() which temporarily installs a new seg-list into the process, they essentially call programs as subroutines. - Unix shells usually (except the exec command) run programs in a new process, created by forking the shell. - The amiga console handler always sends signals to the process that opened it (the shell window). Note that with the definition above this means that signals are sent to the process that currently runs in the foreground, thus signals go to the shell as long as it's not running a program, and to running programs else. - Unix ttys send signals to *all* processes in the process group the tty is controlling. Depending on the version of Unix, shells do different things to make signals reach their started processes: - pre-jobcontrol way: the shell ignores tty signals, and thus the sent signals only influence it's children. - jobcontrol: the shell changes the tty's notion of which process group it's controlling, so that signals are sent to the new process(es) (which run in their own process group). - So.. since pdksh is a Unix shell running on Amigados it tries to handle tty's the Unix way, but the amigados console handler can't be told to send signals to other processes (no TIOCSPGRP). There *might* be a solution to this problem in the future, I saw in recent packet descriptions in AmigaMail that there is a new packet that allows setting of the process to receive signals. However, since this packet is very new, we can't count on exiting console handlers to implement it. Furthermore, the WShell console handler will probably not do it, since it's not that new, and I really won't go back to Commodores' console-handler just because of this feature... An other solution would be to implement the Unix semantics as part of the signal dispatcher in ixemul. We'd then have to keep the information which `tty' controls which process (groups) in ixemul, and distribute signals from the tty to the registered processes. This is somewhat hairy, because the shell (which would be in charge of distribution of signals, since it opened the console handler) is usually sleeping waiting for children to die, and in this state it's ignoring or at least blocking most signals. > > etc. With ixemul.library, we should be able to leave UNIX based > > makefiles intact... I'm quite puzzled how good it works actually ;-) > I've done this. But what I have is HUGE when archived with > lha. And to complicate things, I don't have FTP access. Please just don't mail the megs to the list... > I have a tape drive. Perhaps someone with a tape who has FTP > access could help out. I have a tape drive too, but I guess it would be better for you to find a person living a `bit' nearer to you ;-) -Markus -- Markus M. Wild - wild@amiga.physik.unizh.ch Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving from where you left them to where you can't find them. From amiga-x11-owner Fri Apr 30 16:27:07 1993 Received: from ben.uknet.ac.uk ([192.91.199.254]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91339-6>; Fri, 30 Apr 1993 16:18:24 +0300 Received: from eros.uknet.ac.uk by ben.uknet.ac.uk via UKIP with SMTP (PP) id ; Fri, 30 Apr 1993 14:17:44 +0100 Received: from src.bae.co.uk by eros.uknet.ac.uk with UUCP id <14796-0@eros.uknet.ac.uk>; Fri, 30 Apr 1993 14:17:40 +0100 Received: from mailhost.src.bae.co.uk by baesrc.src.bae.co.uk (4.1/BAeSRC-4.0) id AA14317; Fri, 30 Apr 93 13:52:49 BST Received: from sun21.src.bae.co.uk by mailhost.src.bae.co.uk (4.1/BAeSRC-4.0) id AA04461; Fri, 30 Apr 93 13:52:33 BST From: Colin Blakeman II Received: by sun21.src.bae.co.uk (4.1/BAeSRC-4.0) id AA00951; Fri, 30 Apr 93 13:52:32 BST Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 15:52:32 +0300 Message-Id: <9304301252.AA00951@sun21.src.bae.co.uk> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Colin Blakeman From amiga-x11-owner Fri May 7 20:39:17 1993 Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.105]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91373-8>; Fri, 7 May 1993 20:09:05 +0300 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi; Fri, 7 May 93 13:08:56 EDT Received: via switchmail; Fri, 7 May 1993 13:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from conrad.res.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 May 1993 13:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from conrad.res.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 May 1993 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.conrad.res.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.conrad.res.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 7 May 1993 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 20:08:23 +0300 From: "Jon C. Slenk" To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 Fred: Is SUBS AMIGA-X11 Jon Slenk ---------------------------------------------------- Jon Slenk Carnegie Mellon EVERYTHING is angst+@cmu.edu Pittsburgh PA Disclaimed From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 13 13:29:15 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91584-1>; Thu, 13 May 1993 13:18:10 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Announcing DaggeX -- An X server for Amiga Message-Id: <93May13.131810eet_dst.91584-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 13:18:05 +0300 Finally, I'm typing this in Epoch running on an X screen on my Amiga. It's time to announce: ALPHA TEST RELEASE ALPHA TEST RELEASE ALPHA TEST RELEASE ###### # # # # ## #### #### ###### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # ###### # ### # ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### # # #### #### ###### # # ALPHA TEST RELEASE ALPHA TEST RELEASE ALPHA TEST RELEASE This version of DaggeX is: Copyright (C) 1993 Kari J. Mettinen Copyright (C) 1993 Leonard K. Norrgċrd All rights reserved. DaggeX version 0.1. Release date 13th May, 1993. DaggeX is named after Kari `Dagge' Mettinen who made the biggest part of the work on this X server. The naming process took about one minute and was performed this morning. (Of course I take the credit for coming up with the name ;-) If you think it sounds somewhat like "Linux", yes it seems to do so. It turns out that Linus Torvalds is helping out with teaching Dagge how to count at the university. That's much needed. :-> -- vinsci) Note: we intend to make later release versions of DaggeX available with source, probably under the GNU General Public License (GPL). For now, we want to hide the source until we get a chance to clean it up. NOTE: This is a rather early prerelease. While it mostly works, several things do not work at all, and some things may crash your Amiga unless you have prepared yourself. All problems will of course be fixed as soon as we find the time. NOTE: NOTE: THIS IS SO FAR ONLY FOR THE ADVENTUROUS. A MORE STABLE NOTE: RELEASE WILL BE AVAILABLE LATER. NOTE: WHAT YOU NEED: - Commodore's AS225 networking package (actually, only inet.library from the AS225 package is needed). - 68020 CPU or better (may work with plain 68000, but that was never tested) - X client programs optional: - Ethernet connection to some machine with X clients. With AmigaOS 2.1, you get to use the nice ASL screenmode requester. Under 1.3 or 2.0, you can't use ECS or better screens. INCLUDED: - Prerelease/alphaversion of the next official verison of Markus Wild's ixemul.library. This version includes networking support a'la TCP/IP with a BSD programming interface. ixemul.libraryrelies on CBM's inet.library for the actual net traffic. - Enforcer - Mungwall SOME SHORTCOMINGS IN THIS VERSION: The color database doesn't work, so some programs will draw everything in black or everything in white. Xterm, xcalc, Epoch xfig and many others work OK. TWM draws everything in white, but works otherwise (you can't read the menus of course). (You must use window managers running on remote computers until we get, say TWM, ported to AmigaOS). The keyboard is USA0 only, but xmodmap is rumored to work (not included). The SHIFT key behaves a little strange, in that you can't type !"#$%&/()= etc. Upper and lower case characters work fine. The mouse works. We have not yet tested with threebuttoned mice (my is under repair, and Dagge is about to buy one unless one shows up in the mailbox, of course ;-). It's a black & white server only, so far. Color is many many months away. The intuition autoscroll feature doesn't work. It doesn't behave; you must protect your system with Enforcer and Mungwall, or the server will boot your machine. It's hard to exit the server, but quitting all clients has been known to work. HOW TO INSTALL: 1) Unpack the archive and read the file DaggeX.readme. Oh, you seem to be doing this already. :) 2) Copy ixemul.library to libs: copy libs/ixemul.library libs: If you already have an older version of ixemul.library, you can still copy this new version there, as this version in addition to the networking support provides the same functions as older versions of ixemul.library. 3) Say you unpacked DaggeX into the directory `Test:tmp/DaggeX-0.1'. As far as DaggeX and ixemul.library is concerned, this is referred to as `/test/tmp/DaggeX-0.1'. 4) Start a standard AmigaDOS shell. Change directory to where DaggeX is. cd test:tmp/daggex-0.1 Then, you may or may not have to do this step: cpu nofastrom 5) Start Mungwall: (Note: this is by no means a fresh version of mungwall. It just happened to be the one I used). run tools/mungwall nametag 6) Start the Enforcer: (Note: likewise this is an ld version of enforcer. You many have to get a recent one). run tools/enforcer on 7) Enter the following commands (note: the commands are "set", NOT "setenv"), with modifications as needed, again, in a standard AmigaDOS shell: set HOSTNAME 127.0.0.1 set DISPLAY 127.0.0.1:0 set XAUTHORITY /test/tmp/DaggeX-0.1/.Xauthority The provided authority file was created using xauth in the following way (you need not perform these commands): % bin/xauth xauth> add 127.0.0.1:0 . 11223344 xauth> exit % 8) Start the X server: DaggeX -auth $XAUTHORITY -fp /test/tmp/DaggeX-1.0/fonts >NIL: If you leave out the `>NIL:' at the end, DaggeX will print boatloads of debug info in the shell window. With the `>NIL:' DaggeX still prints the debug info which is immediately discarded. Printing the debug info takes time regardless, so do not draw conclusions about the speed of DaggeX with this version of the server. 9) Run your clients. This may involve the following, for example: Log in on the computer with the X programs you want to run. Now you must tell it about the password to access your Amiga's X dispaly; this is done with the xauth program like this: % xauth xauth> add myamiga.foo.edu:0 . 11223344 xauth> exit % Where you make sure that the hexadecimal password at the end is the same as on the server side. If it is not, the clients will not be granted access to DaggeX' X display. 10) Enjoy. :) ------------ The software is available from ftp.funet.fi in /pub/amiga/X11/DaggeX/* The lha archive is about 700 Kb, including fonts. enjoy, -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner Thu May 13 14:48:30 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91589-3>; Thu, 13 May 1993 14:27:39 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Leonard Norrgard's message of Thu, 13 May 1993 13:18:05 +0300 <93May13.131810eet_dst.91584-1@nic.funet.fi> Subject: Announcing DaggeX -- An X server for Amiga Message-Id: <93May13.142739eet_dst.91589-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 14:27:38 +0300 Some quick notes: 1. DaggeX is now also available on the aminet ftp sites in the directory gfx/misc. 2. when you are installing DaggeX, it is a good idea to reboot the Amiga after copying ixemul.library to libs: in step 2 of the installation instructions. Otherwise, DaggeX may end up using an old version of ixemul, which will crash and burn -- mostly your harddisk. So take an extra step to be on the secure side. 3. The shift key doesn't work with the 'w' key either, as I just noted while trying to write 2. above. 4. There is also a version of DaggeX that works only with local connections that are realized using exec.library messages. The local connection version is much faster that the TCP/IP based version when the client runs locally. Also, the mouse pointer moves smoothly on that version. The local connections version is not included in the DaggeX-0.1.lha archive, because Dagge had no time to recompile it today. It will be available later, as will hopefully a combined version of the servers that can use fast exec- based connections when possible. enjoy -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner Fri May 14 19:42:39 1993 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.254.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91551-5>; Fri, 14 May 1993 19:28:25 +0300 Return-Path: Received: by nova.unix.portal.com (5.65b/4.1 1.299) id AA18949; Fri, 14 May 93 09:28:26 -0700 Received: by portal.unix.portal.com (1.577) id AA19694; Fri, 14 May 93 09:28:23 -0700 Received: from eng2 by hsd.com (NX5.67c/NeXT-2.0_HSD) id AA00334; Fri, 14 May 93 09:23:56 -0700 From: ovrskeek@hsd.com (James C. 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Bath) Message-Id: <9305172314.AA12763@seminole.aud.alcatel.com> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 David Bath From amiga-x11-owner Mon May 24 17:59:20 1993 Received: from santra.hut.fi ([130.233.224.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91904-4>; Mon, 24 May 1993 17:22:03 +0300 Received: from finhutc.hut.fi by santra.hut.fi (5.65c8/8.2/TeKoLa) id AA06798; Mon, 24 May 1993 17:23:47 +0300 Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 0904; Mon, 24 May 93 17:21:31 EET Received: from brfapesp.bitnet (NJE origin SMTPUSER@BRFAPESP) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0903; Mon, 24 May 1993 17:21:31 +0200 Received: from vortex.ufrgs.br by brfapesp.bitnet with PMDF#10108; Mon, 24 May 1993 10:52 BSC (-0300 C) Received: from IF1.UFRGS.BR by vortex.ufrgs.br (PMDF V4.2-11 #4493) id <01GYJU729JZK00076P@vortex.ufrgs.br>; Mon, 24 May 1993 10:44:50 -0300 Received: from inf.ufrgs.br (caracol) by if1.ufrgs.br with PMDF#10592; Mon, 24 May 1993 10:32 -300 Received: from mate.inf.ufrgs.br by inf.ufrgs.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29687; Mon, 24 May 93 10:34:48 EST Received: by mate.inf.ufrgs.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14753; Mon, 24 May 93 10:33:43 EST Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 18:33:43 +0300 From: franz%inf.UFRGS.BR@FINHUTC.hut.fi (Franz Josef Figueroa Ferreira da Silva) Subject: unsubscribe To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-Id: <9305241333.AA14753@mate.inf.ufrgs.br> X-Envelope-To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT unsubscribe From amiga-x11-owner Tue May 25 01:31:41 1993 Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU ([130.215.24.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91171-2>; Tue, 25 May 1993 01:07:22 +0300 Received: from bigwpi.WPI.EDU (bigwpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.56]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (ALPHA-6.61/6.28) id SAA11467; Mon, 24 May 1993 18:07:11 -0400 From: Ramin Taraz Received: from localhost by bigwpi.WPI.EDU (ALPHA-6.61/6.12) id SAA01914; Mon, 24 May 1993 18:07:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 01:07:10 +0300 Message-Id: <199305242207.SAA01914@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jun 3 07:21:23 1993 Received: from B.PSC.EDU ([128.182.66.102]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91345-3>; Thu, 3 Jun 1993 07:12:56 +0300 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 07:07:47 +0300 From: EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi CC: EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU Message-Id: <930603000747.20405e9d@B.PSC.EDU> Subject: DaggeX and the Retina graphics card... When I originally tried DaggeX on my Retina board all I got was a blank screen, so I presumed that it did not work correctly under RetinaEmu. This is incorrect. I forgot about the Retina software option to 'refresh' screens which are not normally coerced onto the Retina display. After setting the the 'refresh mode' to continuous, and the time interval to one of the values like 0.1sec, the DaggeX will function on the Retina display, you can even set the Retina openscreen modes to something large like 1024x768, and the same corresponding values during the DaggeX start-up and open a full large screen, but since the 'autoscroll' is not functional in this version of DaggeX, your cursor only goes to the default screen setting (upper left corner of the display only). Its a pity that the Retina does not add its modes to the display database, yet. Could you folks working on DaggeX fix the 'auto-scroll' mode? Could you also make the 'SCREEN requester' an option that can be replaced by a fixed command line, so I can set the mode once in a script and forget all about it? Any tenative date for releasing the sources for the "server/ddx/amiga" section? I'd like to work on adding direct support for my Retina board, and your amiga specific code would be most helpful. -Ed Berger eberger@psc.edu eb15@andrew.cmu.edu From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jun 9 02:34:05 1993 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl ([146.50.4.20]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91223-2>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:16:30 +0300 Received: from carol.fwi.uva.nl by mail.fwi.uva.nl with SMTP (5.65c/5.1) id AA17077; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 01:16:24 +0200 Received: by carol.fwi.uva.nl id AA06554; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 01:16:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199306082316.AA06554@carol.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:16:23 +0300 Return-Path: From: solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88)) X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 7463 X-Telex: 10262 hef nl X-Fax: +31 20 525 7490 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Hallo everyone, I think I have found a bug in ixemul.library (39.47) which is available in the Daggex0.1 archive. Before I changed ixemul.library (I was using version 39.45) I could use the command 'man' whitout any problems, but now I get the following message (that is using ixemul.library version 39.47): For example when I do the command 'man man', I expect to get the manual pages for man, but instead I get this, 5.HardDisk:WBStartup> man man WARNING: terminal cannot clear to end of line WARNING: terminal cannot clear screen WARNING: terminal cannot home cursor WARNING: terminal cannot move cursor to lower left of screen WARNING: terminal cannot scroll backwards /usr/share/man/cat1/man.0 (press RETURN) This is also the case with infoview, there I get, 'Terminal Type:' without the quotes, and I can't type anything except Ctrl-C,which kills the process. My question is this really a bug in the new ixemul.library or am I doing something wrong. Any help is welcome. CIAO Email: solorzan@carol.fwi.uva.nl From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jun 9 02:44:06 1993 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl ([146.50.4.20]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91312-5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:26:26 +0300 Received: from carol.fwi.uva.nl by mail.fwi.uva.nl with SMTP (5.65c/5.1) id AA17110; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 01:26:19 +0200 Received: by carol.fwi.uva.nl id AA06560; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 01:26:18 +0200 Message-Id: <199306082326.AA06560@carol.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:26:18 +0300 Return-Path: From: solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88)) X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 7463 X-Telex: 10262 hef nl X-Fax: +31 20 525 7490 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Hallo everyone, after trying several times to run the local version of DaggeX, I had to conclude thas I was doing something wrong. I follow all the steps mentioned in readme of Daggex0.1 and 0.2,but after trying to start the server with the following command I get this as result: 7.HardDisk:Temp/DaggeX-0.1> execute start_x Bus error - DaggeX -auth /temp/DaggeX-0.1/.Xauthority -fp /temp/DaggeX-0.1/fo DaggeX failed returncode 138 start_x looks like this: set HOSTNAME 127.0.0.1 set DISPLAY 127.0.0.1:0 set XAUTHORITY /temp/DaggeX-0.1/.Xauthority stack 250000 changetaskpri 1 DaggeX -auth $XAUTHORITY -fp /temp/DaggeX-0.1/fonts Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong. My system configuration is: Amiga 2000 (CPU = 68000) 2MB Fast Ram 1MB Chip Ram 52MB HardDisk Thanks a lot in advance!!!!!!!!!!!! CIAO Email: solorzan@carol.fwi.uva.nl From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jun 9 05:15:09 1993 Received: from deneb.dfn.de ([192.76.176.9]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91406-5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 05:08:40 +0300 Received: from ifmsun8.ifm.uni-hamburg.de by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA04786; Wed, 9 Jun 93 04:03:01 +0200 Received: by ifmsun8.ifm.uni-hamburg.de (4.1/rz-sam-930608) with UUCP for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi id ; Wed, 9 Jun 93 04:02:46 +0200 Received: from hactar.hanse.de by lutzifer.hanse.de with SMTP id AA21194 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:42:20 +0200 Received: by mail.hactar.Hanse.DE (hactar.Hanse.DE) for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi (Amiga1.02l10*hactar-123r) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 1993 20:36:15 UTC X-Path: hamburg!hactar!caty!imart.franken.de!castle.franken.de!forge.franken.de!Barnard Newsgroups: amiga.x11 References: <930603000747.20405e9d@B.PSC.EDU> Organization: Barnard's Software Forge (ECG210) X-Newsreader: Arn V1.01 X-Received: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 22:36:08 +0200 Sender: news@hactar.hanse.de (Where No News Have Gone Before) Message-Id: <+uW0t*jF0@forge.franken.de> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 02:20:14 +0300 From: Barnard@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: DaggeX and the Retina graphics card... In article <930603000747.20405e9d@B.PSC.EDU>, EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU writes: > Its a pity that the Retina does not add its modes to the display database, > yet. Could you folks working on DaggeX fix the 'auto-scroll' mode? > Could you also make the 'SCREEN requester' an option that can be replaced > by a fixed command line, so I can set the mode once in a script and forget > all about it? Any tenative date for releasing the sources for the > "server/ddx/amiga" section? I'd like to work on adding direct support > for my Retina board, and your amiga specific code would be most helpful. Well, folks, I tested the DaggeX on the Picasso II board and it works like a champ. I just said 'open on an PICASSO:1024x768 screen' and it worked. I like this board... :) cu Henning -- \\ _ Henning Schmiedehausen - barnard@forge.franken.de _ // Amiga - \X/ --- Home of Barnard's Software Forge - ECG210 --- \X/ Learning to Fly Baldur: Und das liegt *doch* an den magischen Sachen. Ich schmeisse jetzt mal was anderes...nein, das tue ich eigentlich nicht. -- Midgard. (oder wie richte ich maximales Chaos mit minimalem Aufwand an) From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jun 10 12:43:51 1993 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com ([192.80.63.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91448-9>; Thu, 10 Jun 1993 12:02:47 +0300 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01GZ7977509S8ZF5VU@delphi.com>; Thu, 10 Jun 1993 05:02:11 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9306100452.memo.57716@BIX.com>; Thu, 10 Jun 1993 04:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 11:52:01 +0300 From: mmayers@BIX.com Subject: SUBS AMIGA-X11 Michael Mayers To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <9306100452.memo.57716@BIX.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-CoSy-To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Adding myself to list From amiga-x11-owner Thu Jun 10 18:03:31 1993 Received: from athmail1 ([143.117.254.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91525-5>; Thu, 10 Jun 1993 17:40:26 +0300 Received: by athmail1 id AA05060; Thu, 10 Jun 93 15:37:02 +0100 From: p9166475@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Received: by ash29 (5.57/4.7) id AA00575; Thu, 10 Jun 93 15:37:00 +0100 Message-Id: <9306101437.AA00575@ash29> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 17:36:59 +0300 /unsubscribe From amiga-x11-owner Fri Jun 11 09:36:01 1993 Received: from mcsun.EU.net ([192.16.202.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91517-2>; Fri, 11 Jun 1993 09:10:45 +0300 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet id AA05188 (5.65b/CWI-2.222); Fri, 11 Jun 1993 08:10:36 +0200 Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA28656; Fri, 11 Jun 93 02:08:18 -0400 Received: from deepthought.cs.utexas.edu by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.17/uucp) with SMTP id AA17162; Fri, 11 Jun 93 01:08:11 -0500 Received: from utacfd.uta.edu by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA25308; Fri, 11 Jun 93 01:08:01 -0500 Received: by utacfd.uta.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 93 00:50 CDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 93 22:45 CDT Received: by woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG (//\\migaUUCP Plus 1.02) id AA09484; Tue, 8 Jun 93 22:20:34 CDT In-Reply-To: <199306082326.AA06560@carol.fwi.uva.nl> (from solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88))) (at Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:26:18 +0300) X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 1.18) Organization: //\\miga\\X//oodwrkshop Content-Length: 1652 Message-Id: <8Jun932220.AA09482@woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 06:20:28 +0300 From: dick@woodwrk.lonestar.org (Richard H. Wood) To: solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88)) Cc: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: DaggeX Hi Valik (Valik Solorzano (I88)), in <199306082326.AA06560@carol.fwi.uva.nl> on Jun 9 you wrote: > Hallo everyone, > after trying several times to run the local version of DaggeX, I had to conclude > thas I was doing something wrong. > I follow all the steps mentioned in readme of Daggex0.1 and 0.2,but after > trying to start the server with the following command I get this as > result: > > 7.HardDisk:Temp/DaggeX-0.1> execute start_x > Bus error - DaggeX -auth /temp/DaggeX-0.1/.Xauthority -fp /temp/DaggeX-0.1/fo > DaggeX failed returncode 138 > > > start_x looks like this: > > set HOSTNAME 127.0.0.1 > set DISPLAY 127.0.0.1:0 > set XAUTHORITY /temp/DaggeX-0.1/.Xauthority > stack 250000 > changetaskpri 1 > DaggeX -auth $XAUTHORITY -fp /temp/DaggeX-0.1/fonts > > Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Now this is completely a guess, since I haven't tried DaggeX yet, but my guess is perhaps temp: isn't assigned yet. For ixemul to understand the syntax /temp/DaggeX-0.1/.Xauthority you have to do an AmigaOS assign for temp:. In your example it looks like you need to assign temp: to HardDisk:Temp, so try this first: assign temp: HardDisk:Temp and then try to execute start_x again and see if this helps. I hope so. -dick -- Richard H. Wood Become an +1 214 530 2595 246 Bancroft Drive Organ // uunet!digi!woodwrk!dick Garland, Texas 75040 Donor \\// dick@woodwrk.LoneStar.org From amiga-x11-owner Fri Jun 11 09:36:42 1993 Received: from mcsun.EU.net ([192.16.202.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91515-8>; Fri, 11 Jun 1993 09:10:37 +0300 Received: by mcsun.EU.net via EUnet id AA05176 (5.65b/CWI-2.222); Fri, 11 Jun 1993 08:10:33 +0200 Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA28622; Fri, 11 Jun 93 02:08:13 -0400 Received: from deepthought.cs.utexas.edu by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.17/uucp) with SMTP id AA17148; Fri, 11 Jun 93 01:08:06 -0500 Received: from utacfd.uta.edu by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA25298; Fri, 11 Jun 93 01:07:57 -0500 Received: by utacfd.uta.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 11 Jun 93 00:50 CDT Received: by letni.LoneStar.org (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.17.5 #17.11) id ; Tue, 8 Jun 93 22:45 CDT Received: by woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG (//\\migaUUCP Plus 1.02) id AA09481; Tue, 8 Jun 93 22:10:07 CDT In-Reply-To: <199306082316.AA06554@carol.fwi.uva.nl> (from solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88))) (at Wed, 9 Jun 1993 02:16:23 +0300) X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 1.18) Organization: //\\miga\\X//oodwrkshop Content-Length: 3120 Message-Id: <8Jun932210.AA09479@woodwrk.LoneStar.ORG> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 06:10:03 +0300 From: dick@woodwrk.lonestar.org (Richard H. Wood) To: solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88)) Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: your mail Hi Valik (Valik Solorzano (I88)), in <199306082316.AA06554@carol.fwi.uva.nl> on Jun 9 you wrote: > Hallo everyone, > I think I have found a bug in ixemul.library (39.47) which is available in > the Daggex0.1 archive. > Before I changed ixemul.library (I was using version 39.45) I could use > the command 'man' whitout any problems, but now I get the following > message (that is using ixemul.library version 39.47): ... > This is also the case with infoview, there I get, > 'Terminal Type:' > without the quotes, and I can't type anything except Ctrl-C,which kills the > process. > > My question is this really a bug in the new ixemul.library or am I doing > something wrong. Valik, I think I have a solution for you. I have had the same problem before, after moving things around on my hard drive, so the trouble is not related to the new ixemul library. (In fact, I don't even have the new version.) Make sure you have the termcap file visible in path /usr/share/misc/ (a.k.a usr:share/misc/) and less and InfoView should both work again. From the gcc documentation (readme.2.3.3): ------------------------------------------------------------------------ unix/usr/share/misc: this hosts /usr/share/misc stuff, currently only a termcap file needed by less and InfoView. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I used the gnu 'ln' command to create a symbolic link in my /usr directory to point to my gcc (distribution) 'share' directory, like this: (This is all from a pdksh session.) woodwrk $ cd /usr woodwrk $ ln -s gcc:usr/share share Then the gnu ls command looks like this: woodwrk $ ls -l /usr total 29 -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 1836 Jun 7 07:08 Disk.info drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 3 14:41 Trashcan -rw-rw-rw- 1 amiga amiga 2772 Jun 8 05:44 Trashcan.info lrwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 1 1970 bin -> gcc:unix/usr/bin lrwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 1 1970 include -> gcc:include lrwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 1 1970 lib -> dh1:usr/lib lrwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 1 1970 local -> dh0:local lrwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 1 1970 share -> gcc:unix/usr/share drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jun 8 21:24 spool lrwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jan 1 1970 src -> dh1:src drwxrwxrwx 1 amiga amiga 1024 Jun 7 07:26 tmp woodwrk $ But look what happens when I temporarily break that link: woodwrk $ mv /usr/share /usr/sharee woodwrk $ man ls WARNING: terminal cannot clear to end of line WARNING: terminal cannot clear screen WARNING: terminal cannot home cursor WARNING: terminal cannot move cursor to lower left of screen WARNING: terminal cannot scroll backwards /local/man/cat1/ls.0 (press RETURN) Look familiar? I hope this helps. -dick -- Richard H. Wood Become an +1 214 530 2595 246 Bancroft Drive Organ // uunet!digi!woodwrk!dick Garland, Texas 75040 Donor \\// dick@woodwrk.LoneStar.org From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jun 22 16:24:11 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91643-2>; Tue, 22 Jun 1993 16:00:09 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info Message-Id: <93Jun22.160009eet_dst.91643-2@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 16:00:08 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jun 29 16:21:06 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91801-6>; Tue, 29 Jun 1993 16:00:14 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info Message-Id: <93Jun29.160014eet_dst.91801-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 16:00:05 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner Mon Jul 5 12:45:21 1993 Received: from rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.128.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91285-5>; Mon, 5 Jul 1993 12:27:38 +0300 Received: from fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de by rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (5.61/1.34) id AA14613; Mon, 5 Jul 93 11:27:27 +0200 Return-Path: From: student@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Studenten vdM) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 12:27:22 +0300 Message-Id: <9307050927.AA20029@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Xwindows with serial.device ? Hello ! I'm new here,and i have some questions. I downloaded the demo-versio{ of Gfxbases-server. It works fine, but is it possible to connect to a Sun or Next via Modem and get XWindows-graphics from this hosts ? Is that possible with DaggeX ? Oliver From amiga-x11-owner Mon Jul 5 12:47:21 1993 Received: from rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.128.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91297-3>; Mon, 5 Jul 1993 12:35:03 +0300 Received: from fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de by rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (5.61/1.34) id AA15005; Mon, 5 Jul 93 11:34:45 +0200 Return-Path: From: student@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Studenten vdM) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1993 12:34:41 +0300 Message-Id: <9307050934.AA20160@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Bourne Shell Hello ! Leonard Norrgard wrotes,that there isnt a good bourne-shell for the amiga. Today i got a shell called bsh which is compatible with bourne-shell-scripts. This shell is from Gary Bran I dont know if this program is usefull for you, but if so, i could send it to ftp.funet.fi . oliver From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jul 6 16:14:03 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91305-2>; Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:00:08 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info Message-Id: <93Jul6.160008eet_dst.91305-2@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jul 6 18:00:28 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91317-9>; Tue, 6 Jul 1993 17:52:29 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: student@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de CC: amiga-x11 In-reply-to: Studenten vdM's message of Mon, 5 Jul 1993 12:34:41 +0300 <9307050934.AA20160@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Subject: Bourne Shell Message-Id: <93Jul6.175229eet_dst.91317-9@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 17:52:28 +0300 > Leonard Norrgard wrotes,that there isnt a good bourne-shell for the amiga. > Today i got a shell called bsh which is compatible with bourne-shell-scripts. > This shell is from Gary Bran I dont know if this program is usefull for > you, but if so, i could send it to ftp.funet.fi . Well, if it's a freely distributable shell, please do. We can't get too many of them. =) > oliver -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jul 6 22:03:51 1993 Received: from rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.128.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91307-6>; Tue, 6 Jul 1993 21:48:45 +0300 Received: from fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de by rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (5.61/1.34) id AA28428; Tue, 6 Jul 93 20:48:34 +0200 Return-Path: From: student@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Studenten vdM) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 21:48:28 +0300 Message-Id: <9307061848.AA14365@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Bshell Hello ! I discovered that the Bshell is available on Fish-Disk 811 . Oliver From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jul 7 15:18:20 1993 Received: from rutgers.edu ([128.6.21.9]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91337-9>; Wed, 7 Jul 1993 15:10:12 +0300 Received: from ogicse.UUCP by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) with UUCP id AA05113; Wed, 7 Jul 93 07:13:46 EDT Received: by ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.4) id ; Tue, 6 Jul 93 07:49 PDT Received: by cadre.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.24.1 #24.6) id ; Tue, 6 Jul 93 07:42 PDT Message-Id: Received: by ri.cadre.com (cadreri) (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16721; Tue, 6 Jul 93 10:40:20 EDT Received: from xtc.fripp by fripp (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25539; Tue, 6 Jul 93 10:43:31 EDT Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 17:43:31 +0300 From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, student@mun.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Subject: Re: Xwindows with serial.device ? > Hello ! > > I'm new here,and i have some questions. I downloaded the demo-versio{ > of Gfxbases-server. It works fine, but is it possible to connect to a Sun > or Next via Modem and get XWindows-graphics from this hosts ? > Is that possible with DaggeX ? It's possible with GfxBase's X software if you use the SLIP package that they sell with C='s AS225 TCP/IP software. If anyone's used a different implentation of SLIP or PPP, I'm not familiar with it. From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jul 13 16:14:41 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91411-5>; Tue, 13 Jul 1993 16:00:07 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info Message-Id: <93Jul13.160007eet_dst.91411-5@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 16:00:06 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jul 20 16:11:19 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91506-1>; Tue, 20 Jul 1993 16:00:09 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info Message-Id: <93Jul20.160009eet_dst.91506-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 16:00:03 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jul 21 19:12:37 1993 Received: from mail.lth.se ([130.235.20.3]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <91504-4>; Wed, 21 Jul 1993 18:51:10 +0300 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0oIgRd-000MTpC; Wed, 21 Jul 93 17:51 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Wed, 21 Jul 93 17:51:52 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Wed, 21 Jul 93 17:49:27 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9307211549.AA04199@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: SANA-II PPP drivers? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 18:49:22 +0300 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se I heard that I was abel to run DaggeX with AmiTCP and a PPP SANA-II driver. But I can't find any SANA-II PPP drivers out there, does anyone no where to get one? Pd? And do I need somting more then AmiTCP and the SANA-II device to run DaggeX ower a serial line? / /\ *-------------------------------------* / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | / / \ *-------------------------------------* Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... From amiga-x11-owner Wed Jul 21 20:13:12 1993 Received: from swrinde.nde.swri.edu ([129.162.170.2]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <91523-2>; Wed, 21 Jul 1993 19:55:59 +0300 Received: by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (5.64swri/1.34) id AA05518; Wed, 21 Jul 93 11:55:54 -0500 From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) Message-Id: <9307211655.AA05518@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> Subject: Re: SANA-II PPP drivers? To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 19:55:54 +0300 In-Reply-To: <9307211549.AA04199@hera.dit.lth.se> from "hakan@hera.dit.lth.se" at Jul 21, 93 06:49:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 802 > I heard that I was abel to run DaggeX with AmiTCP and a PPP SANA-II > driver. But I can't find any SANA-II PPP drivers out there, does > anyone no where to get one? Pd? And do I need somting more then AmiTCP > and the SANA-II device to run DaggeX ower a serial line? John Tyndall here at SwRI started writing a SANA-II PPP driver, but with the apparent demise of AS225 and other things going on, it was put on hold. Also, we can't run AS225 R2 (required for SANA-II) due to an unfortunate interaction between it and PCNFS (screws up connections for PC's requesting services). If there is a PPP driver, we'd still like to hear about it though. May be a way to get around the PCNFS problem if sufficient reason to do so. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu From amiga-x11-owner Fri Jul 23 12:59:51 1993 Received: from s0.trier.fh-rpl.de ([143.93.49.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91190-5>; Fri, 23 Jul 1993 12:46:19 +0300 Received: by s0.trier.fh-rpl.de (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA18257; Fri, 23 Jul 93 11:46:40 +0200 From: heberle@s0.trier.fh-rpl.de (Heberle H.) Message-Id: <9307230946.AA18257@s0.trier.fh-rpl.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Cc: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Subject: TCP/IP for Amiga Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1993 13:46:40 +0300 Hi folks, where can I get the Software for an Amiga Ethernet card from and what Ethernet card (including Software) does a good job in an existing Ethernet network? Horst From amiga-x11-owner Tue Jul 27 16:06:39 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91242-6>; Tue, 27 Jul 1993 16:00:07 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Jul27.160007eet_dst.91242-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 16:00:03 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Aug 3 16:08:10 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91323-5>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 16:00:12 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Aug3.160012eet_dst.91323-5@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 16:00:05 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Aug 10 16:07:00 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91370-7>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:00:11 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Aug10.160011eet_dst.91370-7@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:00:08 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Aug 17 16:06:01 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91600-5>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 16:00:10 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Aug17.160010eet_dst.91600-5@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 16:00:05 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Aug 24 16:14:03 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91285-9>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 16:00:13 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Aug24.160013eet_dst.91285-9@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 16:00:07 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner Thu Aug 26 03:28:34 1993 Received: from wariat.org ([192.147.147.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91313-7>; Thu, 26 Aug 1993 03:18:54 +0300 Received: from ushiva by wariat.org with uucp(/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 20:19 EDT for nic.funet.fi!amiga-x11 Received: by ushiva.wariat.org (/\==/\ Smail3.1.27.1 #27.1) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 19:11 EDT Received: from sygate.bellhow by (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07616; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:24:15 EDT From: ross@bellhow (Ross Virostko) Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on nic.funet.fi: Message-Id: <9308251324.AA07616@> ^-illegal subdomain in domain Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 16:24:14 +0300 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] SUBS AMIGA-X11 Ross Virostko -- From amiga-x11-owner Tue Aug 31 16:09:51 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91377-3>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 16:00:13 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Aug31.160013eet_dst.91377-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 16:00:06 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Sep 7 16:20:23 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91418-3>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:00:11 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Sep7.160011eet_dst.91418-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). 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From amiga-x11-owner Tue Sep 14 16:17:40 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91552-9>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:00:14 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Sep14.160014eet_dst.91552-9@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:00:05 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner Tue Sep 21 16:08:52 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91835-6>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:00:12 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Sep21.160012eet_dst.91835-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:00:05 +0300 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner Tue Sep 28 16:09:07 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91239-4>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 16:00:11 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Sep28.160011eet.91239-4@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 5 16:13:15 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91377-4>; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 16:00:08 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Oct5.160008eet.91377-4@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 5 21:51:16 1993 Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.102]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91348-2>; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:46:34 +0200 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.5/8.5) id PAA15697; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:46:19 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psyche.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psyche.weh.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.13.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.psyche.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.psyche.weh.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:44:21 +0200 From: "Jon C. Slenk" To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: news? Fred: is Not so what's the latest? haven't heard a peep out of anyone for a while... Sincerely, -Jon. ---------------+--------------------+-------------- angst+@cmu.edu robotics institute everything is jon slenk carnegie mellon disclaimed pittsburgh pa From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 5 22:23:56 1993 Received: from brook.physics.sunysb.edu ([129.49.21.117]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91399-8>; Tue, 5 Oct 1993 22:18:44 +0200 Received: by brook.physics.sunysb.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi id AA24551; Tue, 5 Oct 93 16:18:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 22:17:09 +0200 From: "Michael D. Fischer" Subject: Re: news? To: "Jon C. Slenk" Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Oct 1993, Jon C. Slenk wrote: > so what's the latest? > haven't heard a peep out of anyone for a while... Not on this list at least ;) I'm just a lurker on this list. The only X11 relevant thing I'm doing is porting XMosaic to the Amiga. Interested people should send mail to "witbrock@cs.cmu.edu" asking to be added to the "AMosaic mailing list". A status page for the port is at http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/hyplans/greendog/amosaic.html Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Michael D. Fischer --- michael.fischer@sunysb.edu --- (516) 632-7966 - - System Manager - Institute for Theoretical Physics - SUNY Stony Brook - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - "It is a bitter thought, but you must face it. The planets you may - - one day possess. But the stars are not for Man." --Karellen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amiga-x11-owner Wed Oct 6 00:21:59 1993 Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu ([128.205.3.99]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91409-1>; Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:19:19 +0200 Received: by freenet.buffalo.edu (4.1/1.35) id AA03619 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi; Tue, 5 Oct 93 18:18:54 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 00:18:54 +0200 Message-Id: <9310052218.AA03619@freenet.buffalo.edu> From: ac812@freenet.buffalo.edu (Matthew Hornyak) To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: news? Reply-To: ac812@freenet.buffalo.edu > > >so what's the latest? >haven't heard a peep out of anyone for a while... > >Sincerely, >-Jon. > > ---------------+--------------------+-------------- > angst+@cmu.edu robotics institute everything is > jon slenk carnegie mellon disclaimed > pittsburgh pa > > Neither have I. I just signed on to this list a couple of weeks ago, too. -- ---------| 3 TIME AFC Champions- 1990-1991-1992--GO BUFFALO BILLS! |---------- ---------------->-Matthew Hornyak-ac812@freenet.buffalo.edu-<----------------- Using AMIGA despite |Support the United Bill Clinton Brain Fund. Because Commodore's best efforts.|mind is a terrible thing not to have. ;-) From amiga-x11-owner Tue Oct 12 16:15:39 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91693-4>; Tue, 12 Oct 1993 16:00:09 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11 Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Oct12.160009eet.91693-4@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Oct 28 18:07:13 1993 Received: from bell.ca ([142.121.24.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91339-8>; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 17:53:28 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA08770; Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:53:23 -0400 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA02280; Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:53:20 -0400 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00521; Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:55:08 EDT Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 17:55:08 +0200 From: mbeausej@blmc36.qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9310281555.AA00521@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX Reply-To: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca I try to install both DaggeX0.1 and localDaggeX0.2 on my machine and when i start the application it's looking for "usr" and "etc" to find some files which are not part of the previous archives. Also is DaggeX usable with the AmiTCP_20 and cslip. Right now i have a working cslip connecttion from my Amiga to my Sun workstation,with the AmiTCP-20. I would like to use DaggeX X-window package atop of that. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Oct 28 18:27:32 1993 Received: from ucssun1.sdsu.edu ([130.191.1.100]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91348-1>; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 18:20:04 +0200 Received: by ucssun1.sdsu.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA29412; Thu, 28 Oct 93 09:19:50 PDT From: sellis@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Virtually Here) Message-Id: <9310281619.AA29412@ucssun1.sdsu.edu> Subject: Re: DaggeX To: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 18:19:50 +0200 Cc: amiga-x11@ftp.funet.fi In-Reply-To: <9310281555.AA00521@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> from "michel beausejour" at Oct 28, 93 05:55:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1539 michel beausejour just said: > > > I try to install both DaggeX0.1 and localDaggeX0.2 on my machine and when i start the application it's looking for "usr" and "etc" to find some files which are > not part of the previous archives. Also is DaggeX usable with the AmiTCP_20 and > cslip. > Right now i have a working cslip connecttion from my Amiga to my Sun workstation,with the AmiTCP-20. I would like to use DaggeX X-window package atop of that. > Congratulations! You've just discovered annoying feature #123 of programs that require ixemul.libary! ;-) USR:, ETC: and DEV: usually need to be assigned to the places that GCC creates, if you have that installed. Be especially careful with the USR: assign, as it must have some subdirectories, and a termcap entry. For best results, install Markus Wild's port of GCC, and then try DaggeX again. Also, I beleive DaggeX is not AmiTCP friendly in it's present state. DaggeX uses the socket functions of ixemul.library, which in turn use Commodore's inet.library. inet.library is available only in the As225 package from Commodore. AS225r1 is the only version currently available to non-developers, and is not a sana2 compatibl product, so you can only use it via the 2060 or 2065 card. Sorry. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // Scott Ellis // IRC: ScottE // WARNING: This signature warps // // sellis@ucssun1.sdsu.edu // time and space in its vicinity // ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Oct 28 18:33:23 1993 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <91347-3>; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 18:26:48 +0200 Received: from heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.2/UniDo 2.0.3) id RAA12502; Thu, 28 Oct 1993 17:26:33 +0100 Message-Id: <9310281626.AA28968@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA28968; Thu, 28 Oct 93 17:26:32 +0100 To: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca Cc: amiga-x11@ftp.funet.fi Subject: Re: DaggeX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Oct 1993 17:55:08 +0200." <9310281555.AA00521@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 18:26:31 +0200 From: Michael Balzer Hi Michel, (please break up mail/news lines at about column 70) > I try to install both DaggeX0.1 and localDaggeX0.2 on my machine First of all, DaggeX 0.22 is the most recent public release. (Hi Kari, it's about time for the next public release ;-) > and when i start the application it's looking for "usr" and "etc" > to find some files which are These are paths used by the ixemul.library. The normal setup for DaggeX builds upon the normal setup for Markus Wild's GCC port. I'd suggest you first install GCC on your machine, then DaggeX. You'll need GCC anyway to compile local X clients (assuming you don't want to merely run X over a net). > not part of the previous archives. Also is DaggeX usable with the > AmiTCP_20 and cslip. No, currently it's based upon the socket interface of ixemul.library, and ixemul.library's socket interface is for the Commodore TCP/IP release 2 socket.library. Which is not available to the public up to now... :-( > Right now i have a working cslip connecttion from my Amiga to my > Sun workstation,with the AmiTCP-20. I would like to use DaggeX > X-window package atop of that. Sorry, but you'll have to use AS225 R2 instead of AmiTCP. Ask your local Amiga developer support. Michael -- Michael Balzer, Wildermuthstr. 18, 58256 Ennepetal, Germany At work: balzer@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de At home: m.balzer@aworld.aworld.de Voice: +49 2333 80908 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 2 16:16:22 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91557-3>; Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:00:11 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Nov2.160011eet.91557-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:00:08 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 9 16:12:29 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91904-1>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 16:00:14 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Nov9.160014eet.91904-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Nov 10 18:47:47 1993 Received: from caledonias1 ([137.195.151.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92055-1>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 18:32:52 +0200 Received: by caledonias1 id AA05227; Wed, 10 Nov 93 16:30:25 GMT Received: by phyd4c5 (5.57/4.7) id AA12987; Wed, 10 Nov 93 16:34:25 GMT Message-Id: <9311101634.AA12987@phyd4c5> To: amiga-x11@ftp.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 18:34:25 +0200 From: Dexter J Vance SUBS AMIGA-X11 Dexter Vance From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 16 16:27:08 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91338-6>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:00:11 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Nov16.160011eet.91338-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:00:05 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Nov 17 23:10:14 1993 Received: from ananta.spc.uchicago.edu ([128.135.252.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91401-8>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:56:43 +0200 Received: by ananta.spc.uchicago.edu Wed, 17 Nov 93 14:56:30 -0600 Received: from cicero.spc.uchicago.edu by ananta.spc.uchicago.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/UofC3.0) id AA14589; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:52:48 -0600 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by cicero.spc.uchicago.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/UofC3.0) id AA24933; Tue, 16 Nov 93 08:47:16 -0600 Received: from nic.funet.fi (ftp.funet.fi [128.214.248.6]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA08885; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:47:09 -0600 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91338-6>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:00:11 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@ftp.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Nov16.160011eet.91338-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:00:05 +0200 Status: RO [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 23 16:16:40 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91527-2>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 16:00:10 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Nov23.160010eet.91527-2@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 16:00:05 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Nov 24 01:02:05 1993 Received: from NIEHS.NIH.GOV ([157.98.8.6]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <91529-1>; Wed, 24 Nov 1993 00:55:25 +0200 Received: from NIEHS.NIH.GOV by NIEHS.NIH.GOV (PMDF V4.2-13 #3461) id <01H5NWLSU5PC8WYOOZ@NIEHS.NIH.GOV>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 17:55:55 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 23:55:55 +0200 From: Bob Hoppin x-5786 A-352 Mail Drop A3-03 Subject: sub smiag-x11 bob hoppin To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <01H5NWLSUYMQ8WYOOZ@NIEHS.NIH.GOV> X-VMS-To: IN%"amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi" X-VMS-Cc: HOPPIN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT sub amiga-x11 bob hoppin From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 30 16:19:29 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91741-7>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:00:12 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Nov30.160012eet.91741-7@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Dec 7 16:16:58 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91825-6>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 16:00:13 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Dec7.160013eet.91825-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 16:00:08 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Dec 14 19:11:04 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <92018-6>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 16:03:17 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Dec14.160317eet.92018-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 16:00:07 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Dec 21 16:12:48 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91214-7>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 16:00:13 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Dec21.160013eet.91214-7@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 16:00:07 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Dec 28 16:04:22 1993 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91184-9>; Tue, 28 Dec 1993 16:00:08 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <93Dec28.160008eet.91184-9@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 16:00:04 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 4 16:06:10 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91290-3>; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:00:08 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jan4.160008eet.91290-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:00:04 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Jan 5 13:11:22 1994 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91318-4>; Wed, 5 Jan 1994 13:04:16 +0200 Received: from bartley.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa11105; 5 Jan 94 10:59 GMT Received: by bartley.demon.co.uk (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04812; Wed, 29 Dec 1993 16:45:43 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 18:45:43 +0200 From: KitS@bartley.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <9312291645.AA04812@bartley.demon.co.uk> To: amiga-x11@ftp.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Kit Smithers From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 11 16:08:31 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91374-6>; Tue, 11 Jan 1994 16:00:07 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jan11.160007eet.91374-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 16:00:05 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 18 16:16:28 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91439-1>; Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:00:22 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jan18.160022eet.91439-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:00:10 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 25 16:26:53 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91665-8>; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 16:00:11 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jan25.160011eet.91665-8@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 16:00:05 +0200 [This is an automatic weekly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a week, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a week, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 1 06:16:54 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91732-5>; Tue, 1 Feb 1994 06:05:16 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-gcc-port@nic.funet.fi, amiga-gcc-info@nic.funet.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, amiga-mach@nic.funet.fi Subject: weekly posting now going monthly Message-Id: <94Feb1.060516eet.91732-5@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 06:05:15 +0200 I've changed the automatic posting system so that now you'll all get the message once a month instead of once a week. A script now also posts a message on usenet once a month with a blurb on the existance of these mailing lists. I suppose we can expect some newbie-type questions this week, but try to have patience -- we were all newbies once. The usenet post still lacks an Expires: -line, which would retain the message for the whole month. Maybe next year... The message is posted in all related newsgroups I thought appropriate. After the first posting was done a couple of hours ago, I've added comp.unix.amiga to the list of groups, which will thus receive the message starting next month. I also fixed some typos after the first usenet posting had already been sent. The automatic mail from the list is always sent out the 1st each month, unless lists.funet.fi is down for the whole day (unlikely). Enjoy! Or expect a housecall from the BLAZEMONGER "customer service" department... :-) -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 1 16:08:20 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91183-8>; Tue, 1 Feb 1994 16:00:10 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Weekly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Feb1.160010eet.91183-8@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 16:00:04 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Feb 3 00:43:32 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91206-3>; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:35:53 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: New version of DaggeX available Message-Id: <94Feb3.003553eet.91206-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:35:52 +0200 The new verison proved both AmiTCP as well as local messageport-based communications in one program, and it can run on amigas starting with 68000-systems (ie. no 68020 or better needed, although it is nice). Later on, there is going to be a special 68020-version too for those you you with 68020, 68030 and so on). The following files are now available on ftp.funet.fi:/pub/amiga/X11/DaggeX -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 345854 Jan 31 03:07 DaggeX-000-0.93-fix1.lha -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 245941 Feb 3 00:16 DaggeX-000-0.93-fix2.lha -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 1675848 Jan 28 21:49 DaggeX-000-0.93.lha -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 509171 Jan 28 21:49 DaggeX-000-libs-0.92.lha You need the libs file only if you are going to compile new clients yourself. You do however need to get both DaggeX-000-0.93.lha as well as the two fix files (yes, bugs get fixed before the software is announced, these days!). Thanks to Kari J Mettinen (aka Dagge on IRC) for creating these files. -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Feb 3 02:55:29 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91210-3>; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 02:52:30 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: New clients for DaggeX 0.93 available (020-versions only) Message-Id: <94Feb3.025230eet.91210-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 02:52:26 +0200 The following new files are now available at ftp.funet.fi:/pub/amiga/X11/clients/DaggeX/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 79352 Feb 3 02:10 xas-020-0.93.lha -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 317321 Feb 3 02:15 xedit-020-0.93.lha -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 624245 Feb 3 02:40 xfig-020-0.93.lha They are all binaries only and were compiled by Kari J. Mettinen (Dagge) directly from the original sources, he says. xas is the Xasteroids game xedit is a basic text editor xfig is a very nice structured drawing program Thanks again to Dagge! enjoy, -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 4 17:57:59 1994 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91183-7>; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:45:51 +0200 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt with SMTP id AA00332 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:41:16 GMT Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; id AA02851; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:48:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:48:57 +0200 From: Nuno Miguel C L A Martins To: Message-Id: <9402041548.AA02851@alfa.ist.utl.pt> Apparently-To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Hello, could you please add-me to your Amiga X11 & GCC list ??? Thanks in advance ... Nuno. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 4 18:19:49 1994 Received: from cent1.lancs.ac.uk ([148.88.8.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91198-8>; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:14:55 +0200 From: "Adam" Message-Id: <28861.9402041614@cent1.lancs.ac.uk> Received: by cent1.lancs.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:14:07 GMT Subject: Forwarded mail... To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:13:54 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 490 Forwarded message: > From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 4 16:03 GMT 1994 > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:48:57 +0200 > From: Nuno Miguel C L A Martins > To: > Message-Id: <9402041548.AA02851@alfa.ist.utl.pt> > Apparently-To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi > > > Hello, could you please add-me to your Amiga X11 & GCC list ??? > > Thanks in advance ... > > > > Nuno. > Why have you just sent me this???????????? Adam Radford. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 4 19:04:19 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91217-5>; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:01:38 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA18263; Fri, 4 Feb 94 12:01:32 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA14097; Fri, 4 Feb 94 12:01:24 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01120; Fri, 4 Feb 94 12:04:47 EST Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:04:47 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402041704.AA01120@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX0.93 Hi, I installed the latest version of Daggex (0.93) i was quite happy to find out that there was support for AmitCP and my PicassoII card, but..... i can't get DaggeX to work. I received a fatal server error: cannot assign default font path 'd3h0:/daggex/font/bdf/misc'. The next line is something like that : cannot open defautl font 'fixed' The directory is there all my assigns have been done (FONTPATH, etc) i try moving it around same problem... Can somebody tell me what's wrong, Thank you Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 4 20:22:17 1994 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu ([129.22.8.16]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91222-6>; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:20:44 +0200 Received: by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.6-bsdi) id AA11478; Fri, 4 Feb 94 13:18:57 -0500 (from cz253 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi) Message-Id: <9402041818.AA11478@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:18:57 +0200 From: cz253@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Zaroski) To: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca Subject: Re: DaggeX0.93 Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Reply-To: cz253@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Zaroski) > > >Hi, > I installed the latest version of Daggex (0.93) i was quite happy to find out >that there was support for AmitCP and my PicassoII card, but..... i can't get >DaggeX to work. I received a fatal server error: cannot assign default font path > 'd3h0:/daggex/font/bdf/misc'. >The next line is something like that : cannot open defautl font 'fixed' >The directory is there all my assigns have been done (FONTPATH, etc) i try moving >it around same problem... > >Can somebody tell me what's wrong, >Thank you >Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca > > I know that this is obvious, but it must be asked. Did you install the patches? .....Dave /* CAUTION - .sig file under deconstruction _ _ - aka cz253@cleveland.freenet.edu / V \ - aka dzaroski@bix.com _ _ _ _ - aka as937@yfn.ysu.edu / V \ / V \ */ From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Feb 5 19:28:07 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91200-4>; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 19:13:26 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA11277; Sat, 5 Feb 94 12:13:21 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA16362; Sat, 5 Feb 94 12:13:12 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04231; Sat, 5 Feb 94 12:16:37 EST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 19:16:37 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402051716.AA04231@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX.93 Ok, i have my FONTPATH set correctly now... 1- when i started DaggeX with the startx script, i had only the the screen display.fvwm won't be able to connect to the server. 2- i use xauth and add my ip there 3- same result 4- if i set my DISPLAY to local:0 then it will work.I thought that using AmiTCP i was able to set my display to the ip address of my localhost. 5- using the display set to local:0 from another shell under amitcp(connected to my remote station) i set my display there to be my localhost(amiga) and issue the command xterm.(to oepn an xterm window on my localscreen. It fail saying that it's not allowed to connect to Xserver amiga:0.0 6- The picasso mode does not work for me.All i have is a black screen . Note: when i start daggex on the command line i received the following: amy_ioctl Getting configuration interface: Operation not supoorted. Thanks for any help. Michel beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Feb 6 19:21:27 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91248-6>; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 19:14:48 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA08470; Sun, 6 Feb 94 12:14:35 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA18030; Sun, 6 Feb 94 12:14:24 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04679; Sun, 6 Feb 94 12:17:51 EST Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 19:17:51 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402061717.AA04679@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: fonts DaggeX0.93 worked om my 1200 but i can get it to work on my3000 and picasso card.Anyhow i started a couple of applications (xterm,xclock,xlogo) they worked ok, but some applications needed special fonts ex:filemgr om my sun sparc II needed lucida fonts samething with mailtool.I How can i get these fonts or how can i instruct daggex to use a default font in that case. Thanks Michel Beausejour From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Feb 6 21:26:57 1994 Received: from explorer.clark.net ([198.17.243.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91187-2>; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 21:25:37 +0200 Received: by explorer.clark.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26292; Sun, 6 Feb 94 14:25:26 EST Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 21:25:25 +0200 From: Timothy Stark Subject: DaggeX 0.93 To: Amiga X11 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 457 All: I have DaggeX v.91 but can't get color on X11 because I do not have Passoic video card. :( When will they port color support to AGA interface? I like to see new feature next release. -- Tim Stark Timothy Stark Inet: tstark@clark.net 6130 Edsall Rd. #301 TDD: (703)212-9731 FAX: (703)212-7598 Alexandria, Va. 22304-5859 Voice: Via VA Relay Center (800)828-1140 "God bless you! - My friend, Washington DC. - The Most Deaf Population City!" From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Feb 6 22:24:15 1994 Received: from mail.lth.se ([130.235.20.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91249-6>; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 22:23:19 +0200 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0pTG0f-000MVtC; Sun, 6 Feb 94 21:23 MET Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Sun, 6 Feb 94 21:22:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Sun, 6 Feb 94 21:22:15 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <9402062022.AA00284@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: DaggeX 0.93 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 Feb 94 21:25:25 +0200." Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 22:22:09 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se > > All: > > I have DaggeX v.91 but can't get color on X11 because I do not have > Passoic video card. :( When will they port color support to AGA > interface? I like to see new feature next release. > > -- Tim Stark > > Timothy Stark Inet: tstark@clark.net > 6130 Edsall Rd. #301 TDD: (703)212-9731 FAX: (703)212-7598 > Alexandria, Va. 22304-5859 Voice: Via VA Relay Center (800)828-1140 > "God bless you! - My friend, Washington DC. - The Most Deaf Population City!" > There are no plans (acroding to Dagge) to port it to AGA, since there are some basicall hardware operations in the Picasso card that are used, and which are very hard to make software relavants for... ______________________________________ / /\ /\ \ / / \ \/_____________________________________/ /----/----\ | | / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | / / \ | Programing C, XView and Amos | An /\| Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | ADT member \/_______________________________________/ Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Feb 7 08:17:37 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91251-3>; Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:10:19 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA20940; Mon, 7 Feb 94 01:08:53 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA18945; Mon, 7 Feb 94 01:08:42 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04960; Mon, 7 Feb 94 01:12:10 EST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:12:10 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402070612.AA04960@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Daggex Om my A3000 , i can get Daggex to work.... IF i call daggex with the option -ac : fvwm (if display is set local:0) XIO: fatal io error 9 (bad file descriptor) on X server "127.0.0.1:0.0" fvwm (if display is set amiga:0) (amiga is my hostname under amitcp) Xlib: connection to "amiga:0.0" refused by server the .xauthority contains 127.0.0.1:0 100.100.100.100:0 my host ip address IF i call daggex with the -auth : all clients cannot connect to the xserver. bye Michel Beausejour. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 8 06:49:03 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91291-9>; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 06:41:19 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA15129; Mon, 7 Feb 94 23:41:00 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA21139; Mon, 7 Feb 94 23:40:51 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07349; Mon, 7 Feb 94 23:44:20 EST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 06:44:20 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402080444.AA07349@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX xauth xauth is trashing my disk. If i use xauth to add some entries when i exit, it crash the system and cause some blocks error on the hard disk ..this is happening 4 out 5 times. Bye Michel From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 8 10:10:38 1994 Received: from afrodite.kih.no ([158.36.15.69]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91221-9>; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:03:55 +0200 Received: by afrodite.kih.no (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA06925; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 09:03:24 +0100 From: Erik Johannessen Subject: CPU usage To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:03:23 +0200 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <94Feb8.100355eet.91221-9@nic.funet.fi> When I only starts DaggeX0.93 i get no increase in cpu usage, but as soon as I start fvwm cpu usage is 100%. (I have no other x-clients running). This is really annoying. Is this a bug in DaggeX(libs?) or is fvwm busy waiting? Erik -- ************************************************************************ * Erik Johannessen email: erik2@afrodite.kih.no * * Kongsberg College of Engineering erik2@kihdata.kih.no * * Norway * * GCS -d+ -p+(---) c+++ !l u(+++) e+ s n- h- f g+ w+ t r y? * ************************************************************************ Usual three page disclaimer. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 8 18:30:27 1994 Received: from ecole.ceremab.u-bordeaux.fr ([147.210.16.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91233-9>; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:21:55 +0200 Received: from athena.ursa (athena.ceremab.u-bordeaux.fr) by ecole.ceremab.u-bordeaux.fr (4.1/SM-mailhost-BORDEAUX-1.0) id AA08013; Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:22:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:22:41 +0200 From: skoruppa@ceremab.u-bordeaux.fr (Nils Skoruppa) Message-Id: <9402081622.AA08013@ecole.ceremab.u-bordeaux.fr> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi HELP From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 8 18:31:05 1994 Received: from B.PSC.EDU ([128.182.66.102]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91231-3>; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:17:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:45:43 +0200 From: EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU To: amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi CC: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, EBERGER@B.PSC.EDU Message-Id: <940208104543.20424a4a@B.PSC.EDU> Subject: RE: DaggeX xauth Let me guess, you are running AmigaDOS 3.0? If you can use 2.04 kickstart (v37) and workbench 2.04, try running Xauth from there. It appears that xauth is making some link files, and then hanging, when I run it under V39, but it works correctly under V37. I think it is a bug in ixemul.library. Perhaps someone could compile xauth with behavior which doesn't depend on 'links' and the problem will go away. Its quite annoying. -Ed Berger eberger@psc.edu eb15@andrew.cmu.edu From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 9 07:02:13 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91236-6>; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:53:48 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: imake and xclock available Message-Id: <94Feb9.065348eet.91236-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:53:47 +0200 Two new uploads on ftp.funet.fi: -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 90845 Feb 9 06:21 imake-020.lha -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 266523 Feb 9 06:21 xclock-020-0.93.lha Imake is a program that only programmers are interested in (it creates a Makefile from an Imakefile). xclock is the usual X clock program. Since DaggeX don't have shared libraries yet, it's big, 500K. Same source as previous clients, ie. Dagge. -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 9 12:58:44 1994 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91331-7>; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 12:53:22 +0200 Received: from helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.5/UniDo 2.0.13) id LAA27691; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 11:53:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9402091053.AA03965@helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA03965; Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:53:15 +0100 To: Leonard Norrgard Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: imake and xclock available In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Feb 1994 06:53:47 +0200." <94Feb9.065348eet.91236-6@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 12:53:13 +0200 From: Michael Balzer (pg226) Hi fellow DaggeXers ;-), Leonard wrote: > Two new uploads on ftp.funet.fi: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 90845 Feb 9 06:21 imake-020.lha > -rw-rw-r-- 1 vinsci ftp 266523 Feb 9 06:21 xclock-020-0.93.lha > > Imake is a program that only programmers are interested in (it creates > a Makefile from an Imakefile). There is also my old imake port on AmiNet, did you create some better site.cfg etc. files? I have to warp through mine and especially clean up my Motif configs before I can release a new archive... > xclock is the usual X clock program. Since DaggeX don't have shared > libraries yet, it's big, 500K. Hm. I have been thinking about this situation many times before. On my harddisk are quite some X clients compiled for the Amiga, but I always hesitated to publish them, because they are so huge. I really don't know... should we assume that every person using X (especially DaggeX) also can use GCC to compile his/her own client executables? Then we could restrict special Amiga X client version releases to publishing the source code diffs. That would be very nice, as most X11 clients compile without any changes and most executable sizes exceed 500KB... On the other hand: Many Amiga users don't know how to handle a compiler and *maybe* still want to use local X clients. I really don't know. So my question to this list: Shall X client ports for the Amiga be published in source form (with diffs) *only* or *with* executables? Michael -- At home: m.balzer@aworld.aworld.de From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 9 13:27:24 1994 Received: from mailgate.isltd.insignia.com ([193.112.16.21]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91331-5>; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:20:15 +0200 X-Address: Insignia Solutions Ltd., High Wycombe, Bucks, HP11 1JU, UK X-Telephone: +44 494 459426 X-Fax: +44 494 459720 Received: from creda.isltd.insignia.com by mailgate.isltd.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA02179; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 11:20:09 GMT From: Peter Ivimey-Cook Message-Id: <16919.9402091118@creda.isltd.insignia.com> Subject: Re: imake and xclock available To: balzer@helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Michael Balzer) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:18:41 +0200 Cc: vinsci@nic.funet.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: <9402091053.AA03965@helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de>; from "Michael Balzer" at Feb 9, 94 12:53 (noon) Return-Receipt-To: Peter.Ivimey-Cook@isltd.insignia.com X-Mailer: elm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] All, Michael wrote: > > Shall X client ports for the Amiga be published in > source form (with diffs) *only* or *with* executables? > > Michael > -- > At home: m.balzer@aworld.aworld.de > My suggestion would be to upload both, but seperately, so that people who dont want to compile/cant compile the source can get a version, but those who have the original code & a compiler can do it without paying the phone companies loads. It seems to work OK for gcc (which at 2.5Mb for an exe update alone is indeed big!) -- Peter Ivimey-Cook Mail Id: peteric@isltd.insignia.com Insignia Solutions, Kingsmead Business Park, London Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Telephone: +44-494-459426 HP11 1JU, U.K. Fax: +44-494-459720 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 9 13:37:47 1994 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91350-4>; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:28:15 +0200 Received: from helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.5/UniDo 2.0.13) id MAA02330; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 12:28:09 +0100 Message-Id: <9402091128.AA04066@helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by helene.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA04066; Wed, 9 Feb 94 12:28:00 +0100 To: Peter Ivimey-Cook Cc: vinsci@nic.funet.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: imake and xclock available In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Feb 1994 11:18:41 GMT." <16919.9402091118@creda.isltd.insignia.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:27:57 +0200 From: Michael Balzer (pg226) Hi Peter, > Michael wrote: > > > > Shall X client ports for the Amiga be published in > > source form (with diffs) *only* or *with* executables? > > My suggestion would be to upload both, but seperately, so that Of course if I upload *with* executable, I won't put both into one archive, but that isn't the point. The point is, that all those X client executables are a big load for the net which should be avoided if possible. Another question just came to my mind: Would it be ok to assume at least 68020 for client executables? I mean: It really doesn't make much sense running DaggeX *and* clients on a 68000, and 020 optimization means far better code... Michael -- At home: m.balzer@aworld.aworld.de From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 9 17:05:08 1994 Received: from coincd4000.cos.com ([128.234.230.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91293-9>; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:55:32 +0200 Received: from tango.cos.com by coincd4000.cos.com id SMTP-0012d58f95b008842; Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:55:24 -0500 Received: from yagashut.cos.com by tango.cos.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09736; Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:54:38 EST From: doug@tango.cos.com (Doug Whitehead) Message-Id: <9402091454.AA09736@tango.cos.com> Subject: DaggeX -native ???? To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:51:15 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6] I have yet to get DaggeX to run on my A3000 with 2.04 I keep getting "No screens found" while opening the ASL.LIBRARY. I am using DaggeX-000-0.93, and no amitcp. I've tried with and without virtual width and height. and heck if I know what the hex digits after -native do. Has anyone else got this to cook under 2.04? if so, what combination of command line switches? Thanks, doug | Doug Whitehead doug@cos.com | | Corp. for Open Systems Int.L | | 8260 Willow Oaks Corp. Dr., Suite 700 | | Fairfax, VA 22031 USA | From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 9 17:15:04 1994 Received: from karhu.Helsinki.FI ([128.214.4.13]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <91352-6>; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:06:25 +0200 Received: from localhost (mettinen@localhost) by karhu.Helsinki.FI (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA13378 for amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:05:49 +0200 From: Kari J Mettinen Message-Id: <199402091505.RAA13378@karhu.Helsinki.FI> Subject: About Beep-bug in DaggeX To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:05:49 +0200 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 135 I've been imformed that using switch -f 100 when starting DaggeX keeps it from crashing when it gets a beep from someplace. -Dagge From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 11 07:51:26 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91246-4>; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 07:49:25 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA02302; Thu, 10 Feb 94 21:18:17 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA27749; Thu, 10 Feb 94 21:18:31 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02853; Thu, 10 Feb 94 21:22:06 EST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 04:22:06 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402110222.AA02853@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Daggex & PICASSO Hi, I put ks 2.04(v37.175) wb 2.04(38.xx) om my 3000. xauth works now but crash sometimes with EMC trap,illegal instruction. Anyway i still have my authorisation failures no matter what i do....What is the configuration of Amitcp shall be and Daggex (.xauthority)? On the Picasso side: (i have a one meg picasso card) when i start Daggex with a depth of 4 and 800x600 i received a fatal servoer error: "could not create root tile"? what's that means. I will really like to have that Xserver working(my Sun Sparc2 at work is ready wait for it)? Thanks Michel Beausejour P.S all the people who as Daggex and the Picasso running pleas talk!!!! From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 11 07:51:29 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91198-5>; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 07:49:08 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA03392; Thu, 10 Feb 94 22:20:55 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA27793; Thu, 10 Feb 94 22:21:23 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00269; Thu, 10 Feb 94 22:24:58 EST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 05:24:58 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402110324.AA00269@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Daggex auth OK, setting correctly my .Xauthority file on my workstation did the trick..About my Picasso problem now... Bye Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Feb 11 07:51:37 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91234-1>; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 07:49:02 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA03817; Thu, 10 Feb 94 22:48:19 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA27811; Thu, 10 Feb 94 22:48:54 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00292; Thu, 10 Feb 94 22:52:29 EST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 05:52:29 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402110352.AA00292@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Daggex Picasso well finally i was able to start the Xserver on my Picasso(using the screen requester) and the display is really nice(xlogo,xterm) but there are two problems: (3 a matter of fact): 1- fvwm won't open on my display (800x600) 2- when i start DaggeX with that resolution(or others choosing picasso screens) the screen goes blank and stay there.If i switch back and forth(X screen/amiga screen) the X screen is drawn correctly with the proper background. 3- My mouse pointer won't work at all on the new openscren the big X will never move. Thanks, Michel Beausejour From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Feb 12 06:05:25 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91318-4>; Sat, 12 Feb 1994 06:02:59 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA00750; Fri, 11 Feb 94 23:02:52 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA29725; Fri, 11 Feb 94 23:02:37 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01858; Fri, 11 Feb 94 23:06:14 EST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 06:06:14 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402120406.AA01858@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX & Picasso IT'S working (daggex on my PicassoII/1mb) in a resolution of 800x600 , i am impressed! Many many thanks first to the designer(s) and those who gave me some hints. Bye Michel Beausejour From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Feb 13 08:38:36 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91221-9>; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 08:35:15 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA25010; Sun, 13 Feb 94 01:34:52 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA01294; Sun, 13 Feb 94 01:34:38 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02417; Sun, 13 Feb 94 01:38:17 EST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 08:38:17 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402130638.AA02417@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: font problem with DaggeX Looking in the DaggeX's fonts directories i've notice that there was some fonts.alias files. So my question is,those files are they used to substitute a font by another if so why my applications on my Sun keep complaining because there are entries for the fonts that they request in the file fonst.alias. (Xview warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r............' thanks Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 16 16:08:44 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91374-1>; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 16:00:24 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA20829; Wed, 16 Feb 94 09:00:18 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA07917; Wed, 16 Feb 94 08:59:59 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05306; Wed, 16 Feb 94 09:03:43 EST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 16:03:43 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402161403.AA05306@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Daggex I used DaggeX on my A3000,to start applications on my Sun Sparc2 at work. The problems that i have now ,are with 3 applications:` - mailtool (on SUN) when it starts ,small icon at the bottom of my screen my a3000 freeze.... If the application produce a beep my a3000 freeze: ex: -the escape key in "vi" -in textedit if i use the arrow keys when the cursor arrives at the last line and you try to go past that line -when i used tip (when it connects ,it beeps,my a3000 freeze) Also my cursor in textedit,or cmdtool ,is not erase when i type a character. Thanks Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Feb 21 22:43:01 1994 Received: from soc.staffs.ac.uk ([193.60.1.81]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91278-4>; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 22:28:51 +0200 Received: by soc.staffs.ac.uk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA25196; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 20:26:01 GMT Message-Id: <9402212026.AA25196@soc.staffs.ac.uk> X-Sender: cmrjrp@soc.staffs.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 22:20:55 +0200 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi From: J.R.Pegg@soc.staffs.ac.uk (John Pegg) Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 X-Mailer: SUBS AMIGA-X11 John Pegg From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Feb 22 17:56:25 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91402-4>; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 17:34:50 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA24378; Tue, 22 Feb 94 01:09:25 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA19284; Tue, 22 Feb 94 01:10:41 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01337; Tue, 22 Feb 94 01:14:35 EST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 08:14:35 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9402220614.AA01337@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Daggex/beep Playing with my .Xdefaults on my SunSparcII i found an entry Openwindow.beep which i set to never. Well well it stopped my problems with applications which were trying to ring the bell on my A3000 which caused it to die. Nobody has a hint why the cursor in the textedit or other applications just moved and not erasing himself after you type a character? Thanks Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Mar 1 16:13:21 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91480-4>; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:00:21 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Mar1.160021eet.91480-4@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:00:09 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Mar 9 06:23:27 1994 Received: from KARIBA.BBN.COM ([128.89.3.254]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91529-1>; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 06:15:58 +0200 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi cc: leekil@BBN.COM Subject: Problems running DaggeX Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 06:11:08 +0200 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick" (Mr. Breeze) Message-Id: <94Mar9.061558eet.91529-1@nic.funet.fi> I have been trying to get DaggX up and running on my Amiga, with only partial success. I am running with AmiTCP version 2.3. DaggeX starts up, and brings up the screen, and I am able to run various X clients on it from other machines, but I am running over a SLIP line, so it would be pretty slow to run the window manager over it. The problem is that I am unable to run the window manager locally on my Amiga. I am running DaggeX version .93 and I am starting it with the same arguments as given in the "startx" script. My machine's name is "green-home". I have the hostname variable set to "green-home". Here are a few attempts that I have made, all of which, as you can see, fail: 1.Fork:> run fvwm -display green-home:0 [CLI 18] 1.Fork:> Xlib: connection to "green-home:0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server fvwm: can't open display green-home:0 run fvwm -display local:0 [CLI 18] 1.Fork:> XIO: fatal IO error 9 (Bad file descriptor) on X server "127.0.0.1:0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. 1.Fork:> run fvwm -display localhost:0 [CLI 18] 1.Fork:> Xlib: connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server fvwm: can't open display localhost:0 run fvwm [CLI 18] 1.Fork:> fvwm: can't open display It seems like if I don't explicitly specify the display on the command line, it fails in one certain way. If I specify "local:0" as the display, it fails in another way, presumably this is what is referred to in the "INSTALLATION" file for DaggeX. And if I try "green-home", it gives an authorization error. In my X authorization file I have added an entry for 127.0.0.1 and also for my machine's slip address, the one corresponding to the name "green-home". Do the "key" values for these have to be the same? When fvwm tries to display on the DaggeX screen, what address does it use? The slip address? Can somebody help me? I looked in the amiga-x11 archive file, and it had questions about problems of this type, and people got them resolved, but the resolutions were not included -- private email, I guess. Any help is appreciated, Lee From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Mar 15 19:37:37 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91656-3>; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:28:05 +0200 Received: by bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA03229; Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:27:53 -0500 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA12103; Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:27:35 -0500 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23855; Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:31:45 EST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:31:45 +0200 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9403151731.AA23855@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX Is it possible to change the color of the workspace? If so how? (DaggeX running on the PicassoII) Thanks, Michel Beausejour From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Mar 23 11:07:28 1994 Received: from icews2.ipc.kanazawa-u.ac.jp ([133.28.20.12]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91190-1>; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 11:01:45 +0200 Received: from tanuki.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp by icews2.ipc.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (5.67+1.6W/2.8Wb-dclwide/1.6) with SMTP id AA29260; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:01:44 JST Received: from kitune.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp by tanuki.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-tanuki-1.00) id AA09969; Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:58:00 JST Received: by kitune.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-kitune-1.00) id AA08766; Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:57:59 JST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:57:59 +0200 From: James Miller Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403230857.AA08766@kitune.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi sub amiga-x11 James Miller From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Mar 23 11:07:58 1994 Received: from icews2.ipc.kanazawa-u.ac.jp ([133.28.20.12]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91361-3>; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 11:02:17 +0200 Received: from tanuki.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp by icews2.ipc.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (5.67+1.6W/2.8Wb-dclwide/1.6) with SMTP id AA29268; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:03:20 JST Received: from kitune.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp by tanuki.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-tanuki-1.00) id AA09972; Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:59:36 JST Received: by kitune.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-kitune-1.00) id AA08778; Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:59:35 JST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:59:35 +0200 From: James Miller Return-Path: Message-Id: <9403230859.AA08778@kitune.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi sub amiga-x11 James Miller From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Mar 27 08:58:02 1994 Received: from kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de ([132.231.1.20]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91258-1>; Sun, 27 Mar 1994 08:52:08 +0300 Received: from wiching.fmi.uni-passau.de by kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de with SMTP id AA28307 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 27 Mar 1994 07:51:56 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 08:51:56 +0300 From: Sascha Groening Message-Id: <199403270551.AA28307@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: termcap-database for con80x60 The new kernel 007pl4 works fine with my A2000 + GVP 030 Combo and two Quantum SCSI LPSs. Sometimes I get two warnings at startup: SCSI host 0 timed out - aborting command scsi0: abort(3) scsi0 : warning: SCSI Command probably completed succesfully SCSI host 0 timed out - aborting command scsi0: abort(3) scsi0: aborting connected command scsi0: WD33C93 asr is .... < registerdumps > after that I get a normal login prompt. Another problem is: Booting from the ramdisk image I can mount an amiga affs partition. Booting from my minix hd partition, I just get a "fs not supported" error !?! I tried to compile an editor : ne-1.0 worked fine, but I need a termcap database for the console con80x60 This editor is a slight improvement to ed, vi.. It's got menus, cmds... is configurable... like dme If anyone else is interested in this: its in aminet misc/unix look for ne-1.0.tar.Z Ciao Sascha Groening groening@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Apr 1 16:04:55 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91352-2>; Fri, 1 Apr 1994 16:00:11 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Apr1.160011eet_dst.91352-2@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 16:00:05 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Apr 1 21:25:27 1994 Received: from en.ecn.purdue.edu ([128.46.128.59]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91384-2>; Fri, 1 Apr 1994 21:18:11 +0300 Received: from en.ecn.purdue.edu (esser@localhost) by en.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.8/3.4davy) id NAA02918; Fri, 1 Apr 1994 13:17:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199404011817.NAA02918@en.ecn.purdue.edu> From: Chris Esser Subject: Display problem with Daggex To: amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 21:17:57 +0300 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 324 Hi! I'm attempting to get DaggeX running with the AS225 package. When I start up daggex by using startx (and remove the >nil: redirection so that I can see the error messages...), I get the error "unable to open display local:0" from twm -- any ideas? Please help -- I really need to get this working!!! Thanks -- Chris From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Apr 2 01:57:31 1994 Received: from KARIBA.BBN.COM ([128.89.3.254]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91325-4>; Sat, 2 Apr 1994 01:53:18 +0300 To: Chris Esser cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, leekil@BBN.COM Subject: Re: Display problem with Daggex In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 01 Apr 94 21:17:57 +0300. <199404011817.NAA02918@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 01:47:57 +0300 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick" (Mr. Breeze) Message-Id: <94Apr2.015318eet_dst.91325-4@nic.funet.fi> > Hi! > I'm attempting to get DaggeX running with the AS225 package. When I > start up daggex by using startx (and remove the >nil: redirection so > that I can see the error messages...), I get the error > "unable to open display local:0" from twm -- any ideas? > Please help -- I really need to get this working!!! My advice is: 1) Make sure you use "set" and not "setenv" for the variables; put them in your startup-sequence (or user-startup). 2) When you define the path names for the sets, use the "/daggex/dirname/bin" convention rather than the standard Amiga "daggex:dirname/bin". Lee From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Apr 2 08:08:20 1994 Received: from ifi.uio.no ([129.240.64.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91392-4>; Sat, 2 Apr 1994 08:03:38 +0300 Received: from garm.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.7/ifi2.4) id for ; Sat, 2 Apr 1994 07:03:31 +0200 From: Villy Andre Biman Received: by garm.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 2 Apr 1994 07:03:31 +0200 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 08:03:29 +0300 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 Message-ID: SUBS AMIGA-X11 Andre' Biman From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun May 1 16:04:58 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91394-3>; Sun, 1 May 1994 16:00:14 +0300 Message-Id: <94May1.160014eet_dst.91394-3@nic.funet.fi> From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 16:00:09 +0300 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Jun 1 16:06:30 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91984-2>; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:01:40 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jun1.160140eet_dst.91984-2@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:00:08 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Jun 16 07:52:07 1994 Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.2.21]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92172-3>; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:43:13 +0300 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from lutzifer.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 06:42 MEST Received: from hactar.hanse.de by lutzifer.hanse.de with SMTP id AA21078 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <@lutzifer:amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi>); Thu, 16 Jun 1994 06:36:10 +0200 Received: by hactar.Hanse.DE (Amiga1.02l10*hactar-123r) for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi id ; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 00:36:23 UTC Newsgroups: amiga.test,amiga.amok.misc,amiga.uucp,amiga.x11,amiga.slip Organization: It's only Mystery X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] X-Path: hactar!castle.franken.de!pizza.franken.de!rrze.uni-erlangen.de!fauern!lrz-muenchen.de!colin.muc.de!mystery.muc.de!news X-Received: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 02:36:15 +0200 Sender: news@hactar.hanse.de (Where No News Have Gone Before) Message-Id: <070694d2155@mystery.muc.de> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:55:56 +0300 From: Hans Maurer To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Reflector verzweifelt gesucht Halt, nicht gleich f fuer flame druecken. Nach fuenf erfolglosen Versuchen in amiga.test, irgendeine Reaktion zu erhalten (nicht mal der Reflector auf hactar wollte mir antworten), nehme ich an, dass irgendwo ein seltsames Transportproblem existiert (es kommen schliesslich Artikel an). Wenn *DU* also diesen Artikel lesen kannst, schick mir bitte ein Mail. Vielen Dank, Hans -- Hans Maurer Hans.Maurer@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE Hans@Mystery.MUC.DE From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Jun 16 10:59:58 1994 Received: from iterg.ipp-garching.mpg.de ([130.183.24.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92101-4>; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:52:28 +0300 Received: from macsanta.ipp-garching.mpg.de by iterg.ipp-garching.mpg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25671; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:53:16 +0200 Message-Id: <9406160753.AA25671@iterg.ipp-garching.mpg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:56:20 +0300 To: Hans Maurer , amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi From: santa@iterg.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Robert Santa) Subject: Re: Reflector verzweifelt gesucht At 22:55 7-06-94 +0300, Hans Maurer wrote: >Halt, nicht gleich f fuer flame druecken. Nach fuenf erfolglosen Versuchen >in amiga.test, irgendeine Reaktion zu erhalten (nicht mal der Reflector auf >hactar wollte mir antworten), nehme ich an, dass irgendwo ein seltsames >Transportproblem existiert (es kommen schliesslich Artikel an). > >Wenn *DU* also diesen Artikel lesen kannst, schick mir bitte ein Mail. > >Vielen Dank, > Hans Habe den Artikel als e-mail ueber die Amiga X11 Mailinglist erhalten. Gruss, Robert. __ O \ <_ ____________________________________________________________________( )/ ( )___ Robert Santa at ITER EDA Garching E-Mail: santa@ipp-garching.mpg.de From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jun 20 15:08:21 1994 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <92281-2>; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 14:54:53 +0300 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with SMTP (8.6.5:29/EUnetD-2.4.3.f) via EUnet id NAA21418; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:55:50 +0200 Received: from valley.sws-ratingen.de by sws-ratingen.de (5.0/GEN-1.1.0) via EUnet id AA19745; Mon, 20 Jun 94 13:53:42 GMT Message-Id: <9406201352.AA05850@valley.sws-ratingen.de> Received: from localhost by valley.sws-ratingen.de with SMTP (5.65/GEN-1.1.0) via EUnet id AA05850; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:52:56 GMT To: Hans Maurer Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, mklengel@sws-ratingen.de Subject: Re: Reflector verzweifelt gesucht In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jun 94 22:55:56 +0300." <070694d2155@mystery.muc.de> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 16:52:56 +0300 From: mklengel@sws-ratingen.de X-Mts: smtp content-length: 21 mail wie gewuenscht From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Jul 1 16:56:22 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91326-1>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:29:30 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jul1.162930eet_dst.91326-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Jul 2 00:15:15 1994 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91207-2>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 23:59:00 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:56 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:48 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA29760; Fri, 1 Jul 94 10:07:05 EDT Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91326-1>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:29:30 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jul1.162930eet_dst.91326-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Jul 2 00:56:52 1994 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91187-3>; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 00:44:05 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:13 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:09 Received: from by mississippi.iac.net id AB08673; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:43:45 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91207-2>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 23:59:00 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:56 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:48 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA29760; Fri, 1 Jul 94 10:07:05 EDT Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91326-1>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:29:30 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jul1.162930eet_dst.91326-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jul 4 08:50:40 1994 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91413-4>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:35:15 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:04:27 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:04:22 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA09029; Fri, 1 Jul 94 18:02:01 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91187-3>; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 00:44:05 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:13 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:09 Received: from by mississippi.iac.net id AB08673; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:43:45 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91207-2>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 23:59:00 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:56 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:48 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA29760; Fri, 1 Jul 94 10:07:05 EDT Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91326-1>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:29:30 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jul1.162930eet_dst.91326-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jul 4 09:13:55 1994 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91154-3>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 09:01:13 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Mon, 4 Jul 94 01:58:11 Received: from nic.funet.fi by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Mon, 4 Jul 94 01:58:06 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91413-4>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:35:15 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:04:27 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:04:22 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA09029; Fri, 1 Jul 94 18:02:01 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91187-3>; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 00:44:05 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:13 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:09 Received: from by mississippi.iac.net id AB08673; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:43:45 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91207-2>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 23:59:00 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:56 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:48 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA29760; Fri, 1 Jul 94 10:07:05 EDT Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91326-1>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:29:30 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jul1.162930eet_dst.91326-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jul 4 09:30:04 1994 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91159-2>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 09:16:58 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Mon, 4 Jul 94 02:14:02 Received: from nic.funet.fi by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Mon, 4 Jul 94 02:13:55 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91154-3>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 09:01:13 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Mon, 4 Jul 94 01:58:11 Received: from nic.funet.fi by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Mon, 4 Jul 94 01:58:06 Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91413-4>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:35:15 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:04:27 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Sun, 3 Jul 94 01:04:22 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA09029; Fri, 1 Jul 94 18:02:01 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91187-3>; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 00:44:05 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:13 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:41:09 Received: from by mississippi.iac.net id AB08673; Fri, 1 Jul 94 17:43:45 EDT Received: from eden-house ([198.180.60.118]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91207-2>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 23:59:00 +0300 Received: by eden-house.iac.net (Amiga SMTPpost 0.88 Feb 28, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:56 Received: from mississippi.iac.net by eden-house.iac.net (AmigaSMTP 0.60 Mar 16, 1994) with SMTP; Fri, 1 Jul 94 16:55:48 Received: from nic.funet.fi by mississippi.iac.net id AA29760; Fri, 1 Jul 94 10:07:05 EDT Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91326-1>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:29:30 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Jul1.162930eet_dst.91326-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:00:04 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jul 5 01:02:57 1994 Received: from rpi.edu ([128.113.1.7]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91168-4>; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 00:43:14 +0300 Received: from client.its.rpi.edu (goya.its.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB41); id AA23925; Mon, 4 Jul 94 17:43:01 EDT for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi From: Received: by client.its.rpi.edu (4.1/SUB16); id AA18792; Mon, 4 Jul 94 17:43:00 EDT for vinsci@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 00:43:00 +0300 Message-Id: <9407042143.AA18792@client.its.rpi.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, vinsci@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Jul 13 23:40:27 1994 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91228-4>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:31:09 +0300 Received: from dcoc41.qc.bell.ca by dmog10.bell.ca with SMTP (5.65/fma-120691) id AA01700; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:30:43 -0400 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA22419; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:28:45 -0400 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10844; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:36:57 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:36:57 +0300 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9407132036.AA10844@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX/AGA Is it possible to have DaggeX in colors on an AGA machine, cause i have a grey scale display (800X600) and it will be nice to have colors too. Thanks Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Jul 14 22:41:58 1994 Received: from eros.britain.eu.net ([192.91.199.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91191-4>; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 22:31:52 +0300 Received: from azlan.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:31:02 +0100 Original-Received: from cc:Mail by azlan.co.uk id AA774203302 Thu, 14 Jul 94 09:28:22 PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:28:22 +0300 From: Iain Hardcastle Message-Id: <9406147742.AA774203302@azlan.co.uk> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Amiga's and Network's What solutions exist for adding ethernet to the Amiga? What protocol's is it possible to run? I have an Amiga A500, 5 Meg RAM, 52 Meg HDD. Kickstart 3.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---== Iain Hardcastle ===---<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Snail: Azlan PLC, YO3 4XD, United Kingdom. Email: ihardcas@azlan.co.uk X400: c=gb a=tmailuk p=azlan ou=azlanuk1 o=azlanuk g=iain s=hardcastle >>>>>Telephone: +44 (0)904 692069 xtn 2163 Fax: +44 (0)904 692035<<<<< ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Aug 1 17:06:23 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91504-3>; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 16:46:07 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Aug1.164607eet_dst.91504-3@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 16:00:06 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Aug 12 02:41:07 1994 Received: from subnet.sub.net ([192.101.75.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91154-3>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 02:38:22 +0300 Received: by subnet.sub.net id <17865>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 01:37:39 +0200 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by subnet.sub.net with smtp id <17316>; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 21:33:53 +0200 Received: from eros.britain.eu.net ([192.91.199.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91191-4>; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 22:31:52 +0300 Received: from azlan.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Thu, 14 Jul 1994 20:31:02 +0100 Original-Received: from cc:Mail by azlan.co.uk id AA774203302 Thu, 14 Jul 94 09:28:22 PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:28:22 +0300 From: Iain Hardcastle Message-Id: <9406147742.AA774203302@azlan.co.uk> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Amiga's and Network's What solutions exist for adding ethernet to the Amiga? What protocol's is it possible to run? I have an Amiga A500, 5 Meg RAM, 52 Meg HDD. Kickstart 3.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---== Iain Hardcastle ===---<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Snail: Azlan PLC, YO3 4XD, United Kingdom. Email: ihardcas@azlan.co.uk X400: c=gb a=tmailuk p=azlan ou=azlanuk1 o=azlanuk g=iain s=hardcastle >>>>>Telephone: +44 (0)904 692069 xtn 2163 Fax: +44 (0)904 692035<<<<< ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Aug 12 02:41:08 1994 Received: from subnet.sub.net ([192.101.75.3]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91140-1>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 02:36:53 +0300 Received: by subnet.sub.net id <17841>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 01:36:48 +0200 Received: from nic.funet.fi ([128.214.248.6]) by subnet.sub.net with smtp id <17432>; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 02:45:13 +0200 Received: from bell.ca ([198.235.69.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91228-4>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:31:09 +0300 Received: from dcoc41.qc.bell.ca by dmog10.bell.ca with SMTP (5.65/fma-120691) id AA01700; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:30:43 -0400 Received: by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (5.65/fma-120691); id AA22419; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:28:45 -0400 Received: by blmc36.QC.Bell.CA (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10844; Wed, 13 Jul 94 16:36:57 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:36:57 +0300 From: mbeausej@qc.bell.ca (michel beausejour) Message-Id: <9407132036.AA10844@blmc36.QC.Bell.CA> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX/AGA Is it possible to have DaggeX in colors on an AGA machine, cause i have a grey scale display (800X600) and it will be nice to have colors too. Thanks Michel Beausejour mbeausej@qc.bell.ca From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Sep 1 16:54:26 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91490-2>; Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:00:18 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Sep1.160018eet_dst.91490-2@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:00:11 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Oct 1 16:03:51 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91566-4>; Sat, 1 Oct 1994 16:00:16 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Oct1.160016eet.91566-4@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 16:00:04 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Oct 4 00:13:25 1994 Received: from ns.psi.net ([192.33.4.10]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91570-2>; Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:03:37 +0200 Received: from vulcan ([192.246.155.99]) by ns.psi.net (4.1/SMI-4.1.3-PSI) id AA24139; Mon, 3 Oct 94 18:00:08 EDT Received: by vulcan (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03828; Mon, 3 Oct 94 17:56:02 EDT Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 23:56:02 +0200 From: jma@lpa.com (Jon Armstrong) Message-Id: <9410032156.AA03828@vulcan> To: amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi To: X Mailing List (XWIN-L@VM3090.EGE.EDU.TR) From: Jon Armstrong (jma@lpa.com [192.246.155.99]) Subject: X Graphic Context Hello all. I'm in the process of trying to optimize a 3rd party X-client. I am concerned with multiple identical calls to functions like: XSetClipMask XSetForeground XSetBackground XSetTile XSetStipple XSetFillStyle XSetLineAttributes When I filter (for instance) XSetClipMask calls in the client I get a significant increase in speed. My question is: Is this sort of filtering necessary to do in the client or can one expect that the Xlib (etc) functions would filter out superfluous (identical) calls. Don't the Xlib functions try to filter seemingly unnecessary (duplicate) calls for the purpose of optimizing client<->server communications. Can the "values" member of GC be used as "the current state" when trying to perform such filtering or must the client maintain a separate GC state structure? +----------------------------------------------------------------------- |/* | * Graphics context. The contents of this structure are implementation | * dependent. A GC should be treated as opaque by application code. | */ | |typedef struct _XGC { | XExtData *ext_data; /* hook for extension to hang data */ | GContext gid; /* protocol ID for graphics context */ | Bool rects; /* bool: TRUE if clipmask is list of rects */ | Bool dashes; /* bool: TRUE if dash-list is really a list */ | unsigned long dirty;/* cache dirty bits */ | XGCValues values; /* shadow structure of values */ <== SHADOW !? |} *GC; +----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd rather not waste time doing this in the client if X already provides this filtering. Imperically, however, it looks like I'll have to do it in the client. Please send replies to my personal address below (if possible). Regards... Jon (Jon Armstrong jma@lpa.com [192.246.155.99]) From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 1 16:29:01 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91912-2>; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:00:31 +0200 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91944-1>; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:00:15 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Nov1.160015eet.91944-1@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:00:07 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Dec 1 16:19:18 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <92416-3>; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:00:12 +0200 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <92394-4>; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:00:07 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <94Dec1.160007eet.92394-4@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Dec 1 16:47:18 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <92455-4>; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:32:41 +0200 Received: from DMUMPIWH.MPPMU.MPG.DE ([134.107.2.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92469-1>; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:31:36 +0200 Received: from pctok by DMUMPIWH.MPPMU.MPG.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 01 Dec 94 15:27:54 GMT Sender: From: "Thomas Kobler" Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Physik, Muenchen To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:30:57 +0200 Subject: Demo of GfxBase' XWindows working on Picasso Reply-to: kobler@MPIW13.MPPMU.MPG.DE Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <94Dec1.163136eet.92469-1@nic.funet.fi> Hi! Is there a demo available of GfxBase' XWindowsserver which will work on the Picasso? Thanx 4 reading, Thomas Kobler From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Dec 2 10:06:18 1994 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <92540-2>; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:55:20 +0200 Received: from DMUMPIWH.MPPMU.MPG.DE ([134.107.2.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92537-1>; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:55:05 +0200 Received: from pctok by DMUMPIWH.MPPMU.MPG.DE (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 02 Dec 94 08:53:47 GMT Sender: From: "Thomas Kobler" Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Physik, Muenchen To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:56:50 +0200 Subject: DaggeX on nic.funet.fi ? Reply-to: kobler@MPIW13.MPPMU.MPG.DE Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <94Dec2.095505eet.92537-1@nic.funet.fi> Hi! I always thought, the DaggeX archives are on nic.funet.fi, but I just found a Version 0.93 there. But I think I remember, that I heard about a 1.0 Version. Does It work with AS225 at all? Thanx 4 reading, Thomas Kobler From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Dec 23 13:56:36 1994 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91342-3>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:09:06 +0200 Received: from uucp6.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxvgu29007; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:08:54 -0500 Received: from blustone.UUCP by uucp6.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:08:53 -0500 Received: from hemingway.blue.com by blustone.bluestone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08181; Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:08:09 EST Received: by hemingway.blue.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26712; Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:08:04 EST From: blustone!hemingway!joe@uunet.uu.net (Joe Eakin) Message-Id: <9412211908.AA26712@hemingway.blue.com> Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: uunet!nic.funet.fi!amiga-x11@uunet.uu.net Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:08:03 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] SUBS AMIGA-X11 Wm. Joseph Eakin Thanks! /* Joe */ | Wm. Joseph Eakin \ Internet: blustone!joe@uunet.uu.net / | Software Specialist \ UUNet: uunet!blustone!joe / | Development and Support \ Phone: (609) 778-7900 / | Bluestone, Mt. Laurel, NJ \ Fax: (609) 234-2877 / Bluestone - Our expertise works for YOU. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Jan 1 16:07:46 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91936-4>; Sun, 1 Jan 1995 16:00:18 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Jan1.160018+0200_eet.91936-4+28@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 16:00:08 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jan 16 18:57:08 1995 Received: from dist.dist.unige.it ([130.251.1.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <93708-1>; Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:51:29 +0200 Received: by dist.dist.unige.it (5.61++/IDA-1.2.8) id AA16492; Mon, 16 Jan 95 17:42:56 +0100 From: "Enrico (3778308)" Message-Id: <9501161642.AA16492@dist.dist.unige.it> Subject: unsub To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Mon, 16 Jan 95 17:42:55 MET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] unsubscribe amiga-x11 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jan 23 18:31:46 1995 Received: from dist.dist.unige.it ([130.251.1.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92828-1>; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:22:22 +0200 Received: by dist.dist.unige.it (5.61++/IDA-1.2.8) id AA29823; Mon, 23 Jan 95 17:11:00 +0100 From: "Enrico (3778308)" Message-Id: <9501231611.AA29823@dist.dist.unige.it> Subject: unsubscribe To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Mon, 23 Jan 95 17:11:00 MET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] UNSUB AMIGA-X11 Enrico Bazan From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 24 00:30:12 1995 Received: from landmark.net ([155.229.176.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92825-2>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 00:24:49 +0200 Received: by gandlf (MX V4.1 VAX) id 1; Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:24:56 EST Sender: streible@landmark.net Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 17:24:38 EST From: "Charles L. Streible" Reply-To: streible@landmark.net To: amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi CC: streible@landmark.net Message-ID: <0098AE6E.AA6FA9E0.1@gandlf> Subject: Info Request Hi, all. What is the current status of the Amiga X11 port? I've recently pulled the X11R6 sources from ftp.x.org to my amiga to try and familiarize myself with the way the system is built, and would like to contribute in any way I can. Are there particular hardware requirements that the group is assuming? Are there any functions of X11 that are being omitted for the moment? Thanks for your time! -- ============================================================================== +-----------------------+ | +-------------------+ | | | T H E | | Charles L. Streible Also try: | | W E A T H E R | | 2600 Cumberland Parkway cls@opera.dragon.com | | C H A N N E L | | Atlanta, GA 30339 U.S.A. cls@dido.opera.dragon.com | +-------------------+ | (404)-801-2195 (Voice) +-----------------------+ From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 24 10:15:22 1995 Received: from daphne.di.uoa.ariadne-t.gr ([143.233.122.61]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92873-4>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:11:09 +0200 Received: by daphne.di.uoa.ariadne-t.gr (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA18968; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:16:30 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:16:30 GMT From: stud55@daphne.di.uoa.ariadne-t.gr (Margaritis Constantinos) Message-Id: <9501241016.AA18968@daphne.di.uoa.ariadne-t.gr> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi, zaxx@dist.dist.unige.it Subject: Re: unsubscribe USUBSCRIBE amiga-x11 Konstantinos Margaritis From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 24 12:59:40 1995 Received: from uni-kl.de ([131.246.136.50]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92879-4>; Tue, 24 Jan 1995 12:50:45 +0200 Received: from uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de by stepsun.uni-kl.de id af21817; 24 Jan 95 11:50 MET Received: from osiris.informatik.uni-kl.de by uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de id aa04676; 24 Jan 95 11:49 MET Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 11:48:07 MET From: Joerg Mayer To: streible@landmark.net cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: Info Request Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Reply-To: Joerg Mayer Return-Receipt-To: jmayer@informatik.uni-kl.de Message-ID: <9501241148.aa23145@osiris.informatik.uni-kl.de> Hello, > Hi, all. What is the current status of the Amiga X11 port? I've recently > pulled the X11R6 sources from ftp.x.org to my amiga to try and familiarize > myself with the way the system is built, and would like to contribute in any > way I can. Are there particular hardware requirements that the group is > assuming? Are there any functions of X11 that are being omitted for the > moment? Currently a port for Linux/68k exists as well as a server for the Atari. An alpha version of a server for the Amiga exists too, which is currently being modified to be (library) compatible with the Atari stuff. The framebuffer device is being written by , the server by Martin Apel . ciao Joerg -- J"org Mayer Student und Sysop an der Universit"at Kaiserslautern http : http://pfah.informatik.uni-kl.de:8000/pers/jmayer.txt e-mail : jmayer@informatik.uni-kl.de // PGPid: 0xFB2461E1 phone : Kaiserslautern: 205-3348 (Uni) // 3100480 (privat) snail-mail: Beethovenstr. 44 // 67655 Kaiserslautern // Germany From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Jan 25 15:43:19 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <92917-3>; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:32:06 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: streible@landmark.net CC: amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi In-reply-to: <0098AE6E.AA6FA9E0.1@gandlf> (streible@gandlf) Subject: Re: Info Request Message-Id: <95Jan25.153206+0200_eet.92917-3+31@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:32:00 +0200 >Hi, all. What is the current status of the Amiga X11 port? I've recently >pulled the X11R6 sources from ftp.x.org to my amiga to try and familiarize If you mean the freeware Amigados port, DaggeX, the state of it is pretty sad, as the sources went down the drain in a HD toolbox crash or whatever it was... (Kari? :-). I may have a small part of the sources in an archive somewhere, but those are very likely to be outdated and incomplete as compared to the latest released binaries. I never had the complete sources to DaggeX. -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Jan 27 21:36:52 1995 Received: from stein2.u.washington.edu ([140.142.56.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <92775-4>; Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:30:01 +0200 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.10/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA16269; Fri, 27 Jan 95 11:29:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 11:29:49 -0800 From: Mike Rhoades Message-Id: <9501271929.AA16269@stein2.u.washington.edu> X-Sender: mrhoades@stein2.u.washington.edu To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: unsubscribe UNSUB AMIGA-X11 Mike Rhoades From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jan 30 17:01:57 1995 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <92950-2>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 16:49:46 +0200 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with SMTP (8.6.5:29/EUnetD-2.5.1.c) via EUnet id PAA00436; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:51:19 +0100 Received: from valley.sws-ratingen.de by harry.sws-ratingen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24863; Mon, 30 Jan 95 16:47:01 GMT Received: from localhost by valley.sws-ratingen.de; (5.65/1.1.8.2/23Aug94-8.2MPM) id AA24765; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:46:48 -0100 Message-Id: <9501301646.AA24765@valley.sws-ratingen.de> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 15:46:42 -0100 From: mklengel@sws-ratingen.de X-Mts: smtp content-length: 16 UNSUB AMIGA-X11 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jan 31 09:02:51 1995 Received: from helios.intranet.GR ([146.124.14.200]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <93074-3>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:58:21 +0200 Received: from daidalos.intranet.GR by helios.intranet.GR with SMTP (8.6.9/ICM-mailhub-1.0) id JAA13578; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:01:51 +0200 Received: from ikaros by daidalos with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07472; Tue, 31 Jan 95 09:53:27 +0200 Received: by ikaros (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20758; Tue, 31 Jan 95 08:55:25 +0100 From: Dimitris Trakas Message-Id: <9501310755.AA20758@ikaros> Subject: unsubscribe To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 8:55:25 EET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] UNSUB AMIGA-X11 From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 1 16:15:27 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91183-3>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:00:22 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Feb1.160022+0200_eet.91183-3+34@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:00:14 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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Is SCO written intentially for the masochistic? I mean really, Arg! SCO has the wrong I/O stuff in the wrong include files and splits some things between files that can't be included at the same time. Please, some one shoot me. Kenneth Jennings -- kenneth@daffy.aatech.com From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 1 17:52:37 1995 Received: from TIAMAT.DRAGON.COM ([155.229.20.2]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <91198-1>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 17:44:39 +0200 Received: from opera by dragon.com (MX V4.1 VAX) with UUCP; Wed, 01 Feb 1995 10:43:38 EST Received: by opera.dragon.com (V1.17-beta/Amiga) id <06vt@opera.dragon.com>; Wed, 1 Feb 95 10:43:43 EST Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 10:43:43 EST Message-ID: <202326dd.14589-cls@opera.dragon.com> X-Mailer: //\\miga Electronic Mail (AmiElm 3.99) From: To: amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi Subject: Unix Development Environments Having not been exposed to other flavors of unix other than BSD, I'm wondering after Kenneth's last message if there often tends to be confusion when trying to decide where you need to include files from when porting between various flavors of unix? Have any of the rest of you had to make a concious effort to include something from versus <...> because of flavor variations? If so, has anyone run across any books or documents (even good FAQs on the net) that explain the differences in porting between different flavors of unix? I don't *THINK* I care about differences between anything beyond BSD versus System V (should I?) since it's my understanding that anybody who is anybody derives their system from one or the other. True or False? Your answer will not be graded! :-) Thanks for your time, folks. ========================================================================== Charles Streible | cls@opera.dragon.com (home) | cls@dido.opera.dragon.com (home) | streible@landmark.net (work) From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Feb 15 16:29:34 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91165-3>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:08:21 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: DaggeX 0.2 sources (or what's left of them) available. Message-Id: <95Feb15.160821+0200_eet.91165-3+25@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:08:18 +0200 I've put the ddx/* and os/* files of DaggeX 0.2 on ftp.funet.fi for those who would like to write a new free X server for amigados. The file name is /pub/amiga/X11/DaggeX/DaggeX-src-0.2.lha You'll also need the source tree from MIT. Extract that first, then add these files. Misc other hacking needed to actually compile a server, I presume, but it's a start. The files are GPL'ed. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Mar 1 16:20:36 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91215-3>; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:00:17 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Mar1.160017+0200_eet.91215-3+22@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Mar 26 14:34:44 1995 Received: from fiport.funet.fi ([128.214.109.150]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6718-2>; Sun, 26 Mar 1995 05:32:15 +0300 Received: from funet.fi by FIPORT.FUNET.FI (PMDF V4.3-13 #2494) id <01HOKBN7DAXC000P14@FIPORT.FUNET.FI>; Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:25:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from eldborg.rhi.hi.is by funet.fi with SMTP (PP); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 21:25:41 +0200 Received: from hengill.rhi.hi.is by eldborg.rhi.hi.is (8.6.10/RHI/27-01-95) ; Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:25:27 GMT Received: by hengill.rhi.hi.is (8.6.11/client-1.3) id TAA13363; Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:25:27 GMT Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:25:26 +0000 (GMT) From: afj@rhi.hi.is (Arni Freyr Jonsson) Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Message-id: <199503251925.TAA13363@hengill.rhi.hi.is> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit SUBS AMIGA-X11 Arni Freyr Jonsson From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue May 2 08:31:45 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <10893-1>; Mon, 1 May 1995 16:00:04 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95May1.160004+0300_eet_dst.10893-1+696@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:00:01 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue May 2 22:12:02 1995 Received: from inesc.inesc.pt ([146.193.0.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <10187-2>; Tue, 2 May 1995 22:07:54 +0300 Received: from yosemite.inesc.pt by inesc.inesc.pt with SMTP; id AA21413 (/); Tue, 2 May 1995 21:04:46 +0200 Received: by yosemite.inesc.pt (5.57/OSversion) id AA05982; Tue, 2 May 95 21:07:46 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 May 95 21:07:46 +0200 From: pmt@yosemite.inesc.pt (Pedro Miguel S. J. Teixeira) Message-Id: <9505021907.AA05982@yosemite.inesc.pt> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Using local DaggeX Compiling a X11 program and update gcc version can be a tought thing to do! Since ixemul 39.47, the author for this piece of art changed. Some functions present in the old library where removed, like local socket support. When I upgraded from gcc 2.5.8, I was using the original ixemul and started to use the new one. V40.2 by the time, I believe.... By that time I could not compile X clients again: Linker problems: - socket simbol not defined together with a bunch of other net-working functions.... As I descovered 'ar' things became clear! libc.a did not have a ref to these functions! Why? I suposed it had been caused by lack of atention so I use my old libc.a to link. It worked! The program linked! Now for the final test: FAILED! illegal-istruction!!!! - Well, that was the hard way to get to the conclusion that, realy, new ixemul had no socket stuff. Solution: use both old ixemul and libc when running X clients. Not enough! the default startup code demands V40! RATS! Going again through 2.5. 2.5.8 backups to extracyt the old crp0.o (don't know if the name is exactly this). finaly: gcc =cc -nostartfiles crp0_v30 -lnet -lc_v39 -lamiga ... worked OK. Now it was required to expunge ixemul V40.4 from memory and add V39.47. Scrips using loadresource do the job easely...! That is the whole list of thing to do if you want to upgrade gcc and keep local X rolling. This is totaly unnecessary if you usse AmiTCP for networking since the such wanted functions are provided by it. In this case you MUST use the new libc.a together with the supplied AmiTCP libs to link and use V40.4 ixemul for normal unix stuff separated from socket stuff which is provided from bsdsocket.library. - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed May 3 00:31:44 1995 Received: from colombo.telesys-innov.fr ([192.70.117.81]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <9376-2>; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:29:54 +0300 Received: by colombo.telesys-innov.fr; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:31:27 +0100 From: Philippe BRAND Message-Id: <199505022231.XAA23857@colombo.telesys-innov.fr> Subject: Re: Using local DaggeX To: pmt@yosemite.inesc.pt (Pedro Miguel S. J. Teixeira) Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:31:26 +0100 (BST) Cc: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi In-Reply-To: <9505021907.AA05982@yosemite.inesc.pt> from "Pedro Miguel S. J. Teixeira" at May 2, 95 09:07:46 pm Organization: Telesystemes Phone: +33-1-46145298 Operating-System: SCO Open Server Enterprise v3.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 615 Pedro Miguel S. J. Teixeira writes: > Since ixemul 39.47, the author for this piece of > art changed. Some functions present in the old library > where removed, like local socket support. Work is now in progress to correct ixemul.library, which means carefully integrate back all missing functions and whatsoever. I hope to have all this integrated in 2.7.0, and more than that, perhaps to delay 2.7.0 until everything is corrected. -- Philippe BRAND phb@colombo.telesys-innov.fr RAMSES BBS Sysop 2:320/104 IRC: PhB AmigaDOS GNU Project, AmigOS Net/WWW coordinator. http://www.telesys-innov.fr/about/PhB.html From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed May 3 19:56:11 1995 Received: from inesc.inesc.pt ([146.193.0.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <9616-1>; Wed, 3 May 1995 19:52:19 +0300 Received: from yosemite.inesc.pt by inesc.inesc.pt with SMTP; id AA09820 (/); Wed, 3 May 1995 18:48:52 +0200 Received: by yosemite.inesc.pt (5.57/OSversion) id AA06789; Wed, 3 May 95 18:51:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 May 95 18:51:51 +0200 From: pmt@yosemite.inesc.pt (Pedro Miguel S. J. Teixeira) Message-Id: <9505031651.AA06789@yosemite.inesc.pt> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: No sockets in ixemul! Philippe BRAND writes: >Work is now in progress to correct ixemul.library, which means carefully >integrate back all missing functions and whatsoever. Please DON'T! If you do so, network upgrade will be depended to ixemul upgrade has it was upto now! The pack of AmiTCP integrates link libraries for gcc, meaning that, when required, one should use them instead of integrate in exemul! If you want to use AmiTCP and link with libc.a now, for 40.4, works OK, but if, in future, there will be integrated TCP, conflict will occur. I`m having enough work now removing all Old TCP refs in libXt.a and libX11.a, as it is! Only when I complete this removal I will be able to compile X11 programs decently, without linker conflits like _SocketBase defines twice. gcc -lXau .... -lXt -lX11 -lamitcp2 -lc -lamiga ... with a libc.a, libXt.a and libX11.a free from remains of what it was ixemul networking adding them through libamitcp.a or any other as I dawm please. - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu May 4 19:49:40 1995 Received: from inesc.inesc.pt ([146.193.0.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <9960-2>; Thu, 4 May 1995 19:43:41 +0300 Received: from yosemite.inesc.pt by inesc.inesc.pt with SMTP; id AA02319 (/); Thu, 4 May 1995 18:38:25 +0200 Received: by yosemite.inesc.pt (5.57/OSversion) id AA09214; Thu, 4 May 95 18:41:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 May 95 18:41:25 +0200 From: pmt@yosemite.inesc.pt (Pedro Miguel S. J. Teixeira) Message-Id: <9505041641.AA09214@yosemite.inesc.pt> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Removing sockets on libX11.a & libXt.a I quit! I's almost impossible to extract every networking ref from these libraries since everything is totaly mingled. There are other modules between X11 and net that are humanly impossible to remove whithout a glance at the original source code. I believe these modules a for choosing whether amicomm (OSI using MsgPorts) or amitcp should be used. So, Xt & X11, after every block contaning net is removed , have ext-ref's to functions that do not exist in any amitcp or other net-pack. I supose these modules where implanted between X11 and networking by the person who ported these libs to amiga. The solution, as I see it, is to recompile libXt.a and libX11.a from the original MIT-sources. They will have no net inside. Ext-ref's to net will have the standard netfunc names which are equal to those in libamitcp2.a I`ll try to compile them today... more news will be posted... - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Jun 1 16:08:14 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <90265-2>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:00:09 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Jun1.160009+0300_eet_dst.90265-2+28@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:00:02 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Jun 1 20:48:55 1995 Received: from OSSEM.NRL.NAVY.MIL ([132.250.167.122]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <89942-2>; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 20:44:49 +0300 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Jung To: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi CC: JUNG@OSSEN.NRL.NAVY.MIL Message-Id: <950601134403.20e00135@OSSEN.NRL.NAVY.MIL> Subject: DaggeX after the assigns, etc. I have an A3000/25 with Picasso and OS3.1, plenty of ram, HD. I installed DaggeX then tried to run TWM, I think it was running but was too tiny for me to find :). Awesome, to think my amiga is running X. However I can't impress anybody with it because nothing seems to happen.:) I've looked at the "lib" section, can't make heads or tails of that, either. Now I'm downloading the clients/DaggeX/x*.lha files, maybe I can get some of these to work. 1) Will something happen when I try these clients after firing up the aminet daggeX distribution? 2) Is there an implementation of this as shared library/libraries (ok I have ixemul) that can interface in standard way via a C- routine? 3) Is anyone on this list? I just unsubscribed to amiga-mach, I think I was the last one there. Greg Jung Naval Research Lab Washington DC From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Jun 2 12:44:35 1995 Received: from draco.unm.edu ([129.24.96.4]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90468-4>; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:42:04 +0300 Received: by draco.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sHTEb-000B6iC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 03:41 MDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:41:40 -0600 (MDT) From: aaron j barreras To: Greg Jung cc: amiga-X11@nic.funet.fi, JUNG@OSSEN.NRL.NAVY.MIL Subject: Re: DaggeX after the assigns, etc. In-Reply-To: <950601134403.20e00135@OSSEN.NRL.NAVY.MIL> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Greg Jung wrote: > > I have an A3000/25 with Picasso and OS3.1, plenty of ram, HD. I > installed DaggeX then tried to run TWM, I think it was running but > was too tiny for me to find :). Awesome, to think my amiga is running > X. However I can't impress anybody with it because nothing seems to happen.:) > I've looked at the "lib" section, can't make heads or tails of that, > either. Now I'm downloading the clients/DaggeX/x*.lha files, maybe > I can get some of these to work. > > 1) Will something happen when I try these clients after firing up > the aminet daggeX distribution? > > 2) Is there an implementation of this as shared library/libraries > (ok I have ixemul) that can interface in standard way via a C- routine? > > 3) Is anyone on this list? I just unsubscribed to amiga-mach, I think I > was the last one there. > > > Greg Jung > Naval Research Lab > Washington DC > Well, if you are the only one on this list, that makes two of us :> I just recently subscirbed. Wish I could help you, but I'm really new to this whole X11 concept. However, I have pretty much the exact same setup you do (except I have a Picollo instead of a Picasso), and I, after many months of hair pulling, got Daggex, TWM, and some other proggies working near perfectly...although I haven't the foggiest how I did this. Firt off, I'm not running AmiTCP (yet), so all I have is Daggex running locally. Since the program only supports the Picasso as an external display board I can't seem to get any color (apparently it's 256-colors or bust). Needless to say, the EGS retarget program doesn't exactly cooperate with Daggex. Anyhow, what are these "client" programs you mentioned? So far I've only found about three actual programs for Daggex (on Aminet, of course): Xasteroids (cute), Xfig (awesome), and XV (whoa...this is incredible)...well, of course there's two other versions of twm on there too. And, if your setup is the same as mine, I don't see how twm could be too small....I mean, hold down your left mouse button: menu=twm, no menu=no twm. You might want to seriously check out your StartX script, as there is nothing I can humanly do to get it running properly, so at the moment I start everything by hand (ewww). The only other help I can offer in my limited knowledge is that if you want a copy of my setup I can gladly offer it. Anyway, in case there's no one else out there, I bid you farewell for now and many happy X11ings...:> --AB From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Jun 2 14:33:58 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <89958-1>; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:27:36 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Cc: amiga-mach@nic.funet.fi Subject: Re: DaggeX after the assigns, etc. Message-Id: <95Jun2.142736+0300_eet_dst.89958-1+8@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:27:31 +0300 > 3) Is anyone on this list? I just unsubscribed to amiga-mach, I think I > was the last one there. Amiga-X11 actually has 180 subscribers. Amiga-mach has some more, 204 to be exact. The reason (I suppose) that amiga-mach is silent, is that no Guru currently is able to donate time to the Amiga Mach project, and likewise for Guru aspirants. For Amiga-x11 again, the reason is the lack of development on a new X server to replace DaggeX (again since no-one has taken the trouble to do this). Making an X server isn't even hard, compared to writing other Amiga graphics programs, it justs takes a lot of hard disk space and patience. Under normal conditions (ie. if I had time), I'd simply start doing it myself and talk to the list about what I'm doing, to get others going too, make source available (if DaggeX source had been ftp-able, it would still be developed rather than lost) for others to build on & contribute etc. Anyone who wants to make source available to the rest of the list members can ftp to ftp.funet.fi (use user name "uploader" for sure access) and cd to /pub/amiga/incoming/X11 or /pub/amiga/incoming/mach and put the files in the correct directory. Then send me mail and I'll move the files to the ftp-able directories for others to get. -- vinsci From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Jun 3 00:44:37 1995 Received: from OSSEM.NRL.NAVY.MIL ([132.250.167.122]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90236-4>; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:39:32 +0300 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Jung To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi CC: JUNG@OSSEN.NRL.NAVY.MIL Message-Id: <950602173924.20e00362@OSSEN.NRL.NAVY.MIL> Subject: Re: DaggeX after the assigns, etc. ok, I downloaded Xfig and got it "working" when amitcp was running. I am mainly interested in a linkable library to write simple clients. The stuff that Terje Pederson is putting out (XV, Xanim, Xfig,...) on aminet are ports of X codes that he makes by linking to his X-library he has made, which does local graphics only and utilizes MUI as a shortcut in place of the full Xtools. Xfig looked pretty spiffy until it was more than the single window, and I suppose there's no way to stop the X-server once its' begun. I expected twm to have a menu box that would allow quit & program starting, I suppose that it what XDM is supposed to do? Greg From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Jun 3 02:46:34 1995 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.1.5]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90204-4>; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:42:52 +0300 Received: from forbin.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id TAA12128; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:42:47 -0400 Received: by forbin.syr.edu (5.x/Spike-2.0) id AA10507; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:42:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9506022342.AA10507@forbin.syr.edu> To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Amiga X11 - Disk storage space Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 19:42:28 -0400 From: The new galactic emperor I guess there are people on this list :) I do not have DaggeX installed but would like to. I simply do not currently have the disk space to give it a full installation. I'm using an 80meg HD on my A1200 030MMU 6meg OS3.0 AmiTCP3.0b2 and am waiting for ESCOM to make a few moves before spending the money to add another HD to it. Anyway, for me the installation filled my disk with the fonts for X11. Are they all needed? What is the critical set of files I can install maually to get the server up? I'll be away from my U.S. machine for a while in the U.K. but any help with this would be appreciated. I've stuck on this list hoping to set this up. -Garth Henning gahennin@mailbox.syr.edu Syracuse University Syracuse, NY, USA From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jun 5 09:50:37 1995 Received: from longwood.cs.ucf.edu ([132.170.108.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90082-2>; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:45:42 +0300 Received: by longwood.cs.ucf.edu id AA19732 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 02:45:32 -0400 From: Holger Kruse Message-Id: <199506050645.AA19732@longwood.cs.ucf.edu> Subject: Re: DaggeX after the assigns, etc. To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 2:45:31 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > For Amiga-x11 again, the > reason is the lack of development on a new X server to replace DaggeX > (again since no-one has taken the trouble to do this). Making an X > server isn't even hard, compared to writing other Amiga graphics > programs, it justs takes a lot of hard disk space and patience. Actually someone IS working on a new X server for AmigaDOS - I am :-). It will not be freely distributable though, but rather cheap (far below 100$) and distributed by me personally to keep the costs down. It supports AmiTCP, AS-225 and a fast local transport as well as several graphics chipsets including ECS/AGA (color), Picasso and any CyberGraphics board (color), and RTG (monochrome). Others will follow. It is not only a server, but there will also be a variety of clients (including twm and fvwm and others). The software is currently in beta-testing and is expected to be released this summer. I will make an announcement for a mailing list shorty (separate from this list). Bye, -- Holger Kruse kruse@cs.ucf.edu From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jun 5 20:35:15 1995 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90954-4>; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:33:09 +0300 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt with SMTP id AA08770 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:31:59 +0100 Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/03Jun94-0521PM) id AA16527; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:32:55 GMT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:32:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Xclients online Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > However I can't impress anybody with it because nothing seems to happen.:) DaggeX is a server, it is not suposed to do anything alone > Now I'm downloading the clients/DaggeX/x*.lha files, maybe >I can get some of these to work. You can always compile new ones ...! > Is there an implementation of this as shared library/libraries >(ok I have ixemul) that can interface in standard way via a C- routine? What do you mean? Are you refering to libX11.a and libXt.a working as shared libraries or do you want to compile Xclients without to work without using a server (calling drawing functions directly on a shared.library? - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Jun 6 19:48:36 1995 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <89206-4>; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:39:48 +0300 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt with SMTP id AA22790 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:39:01 +0100 Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/03Jun94-0521PM) id AA08114; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:40:01 GMT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:40:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Cc: amiga-gcc-port@nic.funet.fi Subject: Compiling Xclients with gcc/SASC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > There isn't, as far as I could tell, a way to quit twm. Shure there is! Press the mouse button away from any window. A menu will appear! Exit is the last option. > As for the other question, I suppose the answer is to get the >Xincludes and link via gcc. Being a SAS/C user myself, this may >cause problems... There is no big deal in compiling or linking Xclients. You must have Xincludes and Xlibs (Xaw,Xmu,Xext,Xt,X11). Compile the thing with gcc and link the usual way specifying these libs before -lc -lamiga. To compile Xclients through SAS/C its not so direct.... There are several problems with the process whatever steps you take. If you compile with SAS/C and link with ld (providing you translate .o`s with hunk2gcc) a problem arises: SAS/C generates several external refs for math functions gcc libs do not know (_CX***). However, if the problem does not use floats, it will work. Compiling with SC and linking with SLINK should be OK as long as you compile all X11R5 and libc (stubs for ixemul) with SAS/C as well. Startup code will have to be managed as well.... 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Jul 9 23:53:29 1995 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <88964-4>; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 23:36:35 +0300 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt with SMTP id AA14684 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 22:32:48 +0100 Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/03Jun94-0521PM) id AA10820; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 22:34:09 GMT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 22:34:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira To: Amiga GCC Mailling list Cc: Amiga X11 mailling list Subject: Looking for Kari Mettinen Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've read in the COPYWRIGHT file about fvwm executable that came with one of DaggeX distributions and it was signed: Kari Mettinen. I would like to find him. Is Kari Mettinen anywere on this mailing-list ? - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Aug 1 16:06:48 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <89239-4>; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:00:08 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Aug1.160008+0300_eet_dst.89239-4+55@nic.funet.fi> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:00:02 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Aug 3 18:48:55 1995 Received: from sanson.dit.upm.es ([138.100.16.5]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90249-4>; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:42:40 +0300 Received: from isabel.dit.upm.es (isabel.dit.upm.es [138.4.22.1]) by sanson.dit.upm.es (8.6.12/3.02) with ESMTP id RAA21807 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:42:11 +0200 Received: (mlemos@localhost) by isabel.dit.upm.es (8.6.10/3.02) id RAA00852 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:39:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199508031539.RAA00852@isabel.dit.upm.es> Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:39:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Manuel Lemos" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 29 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Manuel Lemos From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Aug 13 20:19:50 1995 Received: from longwood.cs.ucf.edu ([132.170.108.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <88550-4>; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 20:11:30 +0300 Received: from kruse.cc.ucf.edu ([132.170.20.103]) by longwood.cs.ucf.edu with SMTP id AA15591 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:11:17 -0400 Received: by kruse.cc.ucf.edu (UMSRFC 0.10); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:15:33 -0500 To: "Amiga-X11 List" From: "Holger Kruse" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:15:26 -0500 Reply-To: "kruse" X-Mailer: IntuiNews 1.2b (31.7.94) Subject: New Amiga X11R6 "AmiWin" available Message-Id: <53112382@kruse.cc.ucf.edu> Organization: private Amiga site As announced earlier, "AmiWin" a new X11R6 package for AmigaDOS, is now available. The current (demo) version is 2.11d, on Aminet: gfx/x11/AmiWin20d.lha and gfx/x11/AmiWin211dUpd.lha The first archive contains version 2.0d, the second archive contains patches from 2.0d to 2.11d. AmiWin supports different graphics architectures (OCS,ECS,AGA,A2024, Picasso,CyberGraphX) and AmiTCP as well as AS-225. For more information and discussion of AmiWin, please contact me directly (kruse@cs.ucf.edu) or subscribe to the AmiWin mailing list: Send "subscribe amiwin" in the body of a message to "majordomo@mail.im.net". -- Holger Kruse kruse@cs.ucf.edu From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Aug 15 04:48:11 1995 Received: from gaia.arc.nasa.gov ([128.102.124.102]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90790-4>; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:46:09 +0300 From: (Don Sullivan) Received: by alpine.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.10/1.2c) id SAA01510; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:45:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199508150145.SAA01510@alpine.arc.nasa.gov> Subject: GREAT X11R6 Server To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Mon, 14 Aug 95 18:45:32 PDT Cc: kruse@cs.ucf.edu Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Just wanted to tell anyone concerned that Holger Kruse's port of the X11R6 server is more than just that... It works GREAT!!! It's small, and uses SHARED LIBRARIES!!! It doesn't cost a bucket of money. (Only $40 till 30 August) I've used it quite a bit the last week or so, NO crashes, and, with the 2.11 upgrade now handles the new server neutral fonts perfectly. I previously used Dale Luck's (GFXBase) X11R4 server, and all the executables from that work fine, including the Motif window manager. The supplied twm also works very well, and is smaller. Programs I've written for UNIX boxes here at work all compile without changes under SAC 6.55, and run great. This is a killer product, and Holger is selling it for about 1/10 of competing products. Check It Out !!! Don ----------------------------------------------- Don Sullivan NASA Ames Research Center MS 242-4 Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 Voice: 415 604 0526 Fax: 415 604 4680 email: dsullivan@gaia.arc.nasa.gov ----------------------------------------------- From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Sep 1 16:06:47 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <90350-2>; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:00:13 +0300 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Sep1.160013+0300_eet_dst.90350-2+8@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:00:02 +0300 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sun Oct 1 16:03:15 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <89657-2>; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:00:13 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Oct1.160013+0200_eet.89657-2+47@nic.funet.fi> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:00:03 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Oct 13 16:52:28 1995 Received: from Thor.fpms.ac.be ([193.190.209.31]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90384-2>; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:47:15 +0200 Received: (from clux@localhost) by Thor.fpms.ac.be (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04744 for amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:47:49 +0100 From: Xavier Cluysen Message-Id: <199510131447.PAA04744@Thor.fpms.ac.be> Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:47:48 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 30 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Xavier Cluysen From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Oct 26 01:54:09 1995 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <88380-3>; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:16:47 +0200 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/24Jul95-0207PM) id AA11445; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:16:00 GMT Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Aug95-1153AM) id AA07150; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:16:37 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:16:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira To: Amiga X11 mailling list Cc: Amiga GCC Mailling list Subject: X11R6 libraries available! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Like I promissed a long time ago ... sorry about that, life is hell ... i've finaly compiled X11R6 libraries for GCC-Amiga-ixemul. They are fully compatible with AmiWin, Ether-Boards, ppp, you name it.... They use the TCP/IP inside ixemul which, unlike some rumors, work perfectly! The way to get them is through: http://hidro1.ist.utl.pt/amiga/amiga.html The old X11R5 pack, network-hacked is also available there, so if you are still trying to put together the latest version of those, there they are. There will be also precompiled Xclients to down-load but, maybe only next week. - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Oct 26 17:26:41 1995 Received: from relay1.fnet.fr ([192.134.192.129]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90628-1>; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:21:41 +0200 Received: from jupiter.UUCP by relay1.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet/EUnet-France id AA09537; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:21:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from po1 by jupiter (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16489; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:45:09 +0100 Message-Id: <9510261145.AA16489@jupiter> Received: by po1 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA26654; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:47:59 +0100 From: Pascal Lallemand Subject: subscribe To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:47:59 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] subscribe From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Wed Nov 1 16:06:29 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <89719-3>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:00:10 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Nov1.160010+0200_eet.89719-3+40@nic.funet.fi> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:00:03 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. 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To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Nov 6 18:11:40 1995 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90391-3>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:46:03 +0200 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/24Jul95-0207PM) id AA06692; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:44:56 GMT Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Aug95-1153AM) id AA13269; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:45:44 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:45:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira To: Amiga X11 mailling list Cc: Amiga GCC Mailling list Subject: Optimized X11R6 libs available Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just a small note to say that I've replaced the X11R6 pack for a optimized one (-O). It is significantly smaller and quite faster! Unload it! In case you lost it: http://hidro1.ist.utl.pt/amiga/amiga.html - Pedro Miguel Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 14 13:59:54 1995 Received: from ciistr1.ist.utl.pt ([193.136.128.1]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90183-2>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:56:10 +0200 Received: from alfa.ist.utl.pt by ciistr1.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/24Jul95-0207PM) id AA13429; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:55:09 GMT Received: by alfa.ist.utl.pt; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/08Aug95-1153AM) id AA05093; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:56:02 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:55:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira To: Amiga Ixemul Mailling list , Amiga GCC Mailling list , Amiga X11 mailling list Subject: X11 clients Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For now on I will, almost every day, try to put a new X11 client on my Amiga-X11 page (http://hidro1.ist.utl.pt/amiga/amiga.html). XV and Xclock are already there (they could both fit in one HD). I would apreciate suggestions on the target processor I sould use. Are there many of you with a MC68000 still ? - Pedro Teixeira - From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Nov 14 14:47:22 1995 Received: from gmdzi.gmd.de ([129.26.8.90]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <90620-3>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:45:17 +0200 Received: from diva.gmd.de (diva) by gmdzi.gmd.de with SMTP id AA28366 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:44:45 +0100 Received: by diva.gmd.de with UUCP id AA05712 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:41:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:41:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199511141241.AA05712@diva.gmd.de> From: hoehle@zeus.gmd.de (Joerg Hoehle) To: Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira Cc: Amiga Ixemul Mailling list , Amiga GCC Mailling list , Amiga X11 mailling list Subject: X11 clients In-Reply-To: References: Hi, Pedro Miguel Sequeira Teixeira writes: > For now on I will, almost every day, try to put a new X11 client > on my Amiga-X11 page (http://hidro1.ist.utl.pt/amiga/amiga.html). > I would apreciate suggestions on the target processor I sould > use. Are there many of you with a MC68000 still ? Well, I still have my A2000 networked with my A4000 (using DNet for now, parnet gives me Enforcer hits), but I don't feel like running ports of UNIX X11 applications on the A2000. I think UNIX programs in general and X11 in particular take way too many resources for a 68000, even if I have 5MB of RAM. Joerg Hoehle. Joerg.Hoehle@gmd.de hoehle@zeus.gmd.de From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Dec 1 16:04:49 1995 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <89462-1>; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:00:14 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <95Dec1.160014+0200_eet.89462-1+112@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:00:04 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. 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To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). 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From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Mon Jan 1 16:02:47 1996 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <90479-3>; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:00:12 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <96Jan1.160012+0200_eet.90479-3+17@nic.funet.fi> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:00:02 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Thu Feb 1 16:08:12 1996 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <4447-18318>; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:00:15 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <96Feb1.160015+0200_eet.4447-18318+52@nic.funet.fi> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:00:06 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Mar 1 16:23:19 1996 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <1798-30704>; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:00:05 +0200 From: Leonard Norrgard To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Monthly mailing list info for list amiga-x11 Message-Id: <96Mar1.160005+0200_eet.1798-30704+124@nic.funet.fi> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:00:05 +0200 [This is an automatic monthly posting from the mailing list maintainer] [Contains important practical info about mailserver features you maybe] [are not aware of.] [Last changed June 22nd, 1993.] The mailing list amiga-x11 on lists.funet.fi is run automatically, so you can both subscribe and unsubscribe to it simply by sending e-mail to the mailing list server, or mailserver program. You can reach the mailserver at the address mailserver@lists.funet.fi as described below. Please use the mailserver rather than the address amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi (which remains valid) whenever you can, so that human list management work can be minimized. If the automated way of doing things doesn't work for you for some reason, please use the amiga-x11-request@lists.funet.fi address instead, and I'll try to solve your problem manually. Please NEVER send subscription or unsubscription-requests to the address amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi as that would send your request to all subscribers of the mailing list. To unsubscribe from this mailinglist only, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub amiga-x11 To unsubscribe from _all_ mailinglists run by this mailserver, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > unsub * To subscribe to this mailinglist, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > sub amiga-x11 your_first_name your_last_name To recieve additional information and help on how to use the mailserver (this includes info on how to use the ftp archive ftp.funet.fi by e-mail): > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > help If you do not receive this mail once a month, you may have been silently removed from the list. This can happen whenever your e-mail address stops working for some reason (a common problem is to set up mail forwarding from machine A to machine B and from machine B to machine A so as to make a mail-forwarding loop). So if you don't receive this mail once a month, you may want to 1) check the mailing list to see if you're still on it (see below), and 2) Resubscribe using the usual mailserver sub command described above. To receive a list of all names on the mailing list amiga-x11@lists.funet.fi, send e-mail like this: > To: mailserver@lists.funet.fi > Subject: > > review amiga-x11 Virtually, The amiga-x11 mailing list management. From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Tue Mar 12 15:41:08 1996 Received: from adhemar.uz.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.179.18]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <1380-13420>; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:39:32 +0200 Received: from kuluz (kuluz.uz.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.168.1]) by adhemar.uz.kuleuven.ac.be (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07677 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 13:38:34 GMT Received: from sleipnir.uz.kuleuven.ac.be by kuluz (5.65c/UZ-2.0) id AA27794; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:18:59 +0100 Received: from loopback by sleipnir.uz.kuleuven.ac.be (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23846; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:38:00 +0100 Sender: Kris.Buggenhout@uz.kuleuven.ac.be Message-Id: <31457E38.FF6@uz.kuleuven.ac.be> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 14:38:00 +0100 From: Kris Buggenhout X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SUBS AMIGA-X11 Kris Buggenhout -- ____________________________________________ Kris Buggenhout. ____________________________________________ From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Fri Aug 2 14:32:29 1996 Received: from delta.mdy.univie.ac.at ([131.130.40.6]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <75501-28129>; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:31:51 +0100 Received: from localhost by delta.mdy.univie.ac.at with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA07178; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:28:07 +0200 Sender: am@mdy.univie.ac.at Message-Id: <3201E646.456B@mdy.univie.ac.at> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 13:28:06 +0200 From: Alfred Minarik X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5a (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/720) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: amiga-gcc-info , amiga-gcc-port , amiga-mach , amiga-x11 Subject: help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit help From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Aug 3 01:41:26 1996 Received: from gateway.x.dtu.dk ([130.225.92.248]) by nic.funet.fi with ESMTP id <75363-16077> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 02:40:36 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gateway.x.dtu.dk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with UUCP id AAA29285; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:40:22 +0200 Received: from sgi.kampsax.dtu.dk (sgi.kampsax.dtu.dk [123.0.0.1]) by maze.kampsax.dtu.dk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12282; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:56:34 +0200 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk [123.43.15.1]) by sgi.kampsax.dtu.dk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08309; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:53:15 +0200 (METDST) From: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Date: 02 Aug 96 23:52:43 +0100 To: Alfred Minarik Cc: , , In-Reply-To: <3201E646.456B@mdy.univie.ac.at> (by: Alfred Minarik ) Message-ID: Subject: Re: help Organization: Kampsax kollegiet X-Mailer: MiniMail 1.4b (2.7.96) (c) 1996 by Pelle Claesson of TheEnd Amiga (http://www.lls.se/~volley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On 02 Aug 1996 13:28 +0200 (+0100), Alfred Minarik wrote to me: > help With what? Regards, /ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻTŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: rask@kampsax.dtu.dk | | Amiga GNU CC README maintainer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/ | | Try my finger-WWW gateway at http://www.bbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/f.cgi | | Keyboard error: and are stuck - press to continue | From amiga-x11-owner@nic.funet.fi Sat Aug 3 02:31:01 1996 Received: from kokee.hawaiian.net ([206.154.198.100]) by nic.funet.fi with SMTP id <74937-5883>; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:28:18 +0100 Received: from hawaiian.net (s07.hawaiian.net [206.154.198.57]) by kokee.hawaiian.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA06805; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:30:12 -1000 From: lopaka Reply-To: lo@hawaiian.net To: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen , Alfred Minarik CC: amiga-gcc-port@nic.funet.fi, amiga-gcc-info@nic.funet.fi, amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 13:24:11 -1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.1 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: Re: help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >On 02 Aug 1996 13:28 +0200 (+0100), Alfred Minarik wrote to me: >> help >With what? click the Icon? -- Robert ////\ lo@hawaiian.net http://www.hawaiian.net/~lo Holtwick ////_\\ GVP-2000'030 @50Mhz/1C/8F/PII/Conner1060S (Lopaka) //// \\\ miga... 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