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Subject: Re: XEmacs 20.3-beta11 "Stockholm" is released
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From: Adrian Aichner <aichner@ecf.teradyne.com>
Date: 07 Jul 1997 16:54:42 +0200
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>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:

    sb> Get it from ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/beta/xemacs-20.3/

    sb> Definite things to test for: Try `make autoloads'.  It works
    sb> just about the way it is supposed to now.  The
    sb> auto-autoloads.el files are built incrementally and mule
    sb> testing is done prior to starting the process.  The two things
    sb> broken now are that XEmacs is unconditionally dumped prior to
    sb> starting and the script will probably fail if there are no
    sb> existing core auto-autoloads files.  Fixing the first problem
    sb> will fix the second problem.

After I had applied official patch #1, built `Stockholm' and removed
.../lisp/efs/default-dir.elc (see below) I did
make autoloads

Here are some excerpts. Is it intended that site-file and init-file is 
loaded for each xemacs invocation in the process?


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Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src && make  all  \
	CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g -xO4' MAKE='make '
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/lib-src'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/lib-src'
cd dynodump && make  all  \
	CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g -xO4' MAKE='make '
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/dynodump'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/dynodump'
cd lwlib && make  all  \
	CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g -xO4' MAKE='make '
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/lwlib'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
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cd pkg-src/tree-x && make  all  \
	CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g -xO4' MAKE='make '
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/pkg-src/tree-x'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/pkg-src/tree-x'
cd src && make  all  \
	CC='cc' CFLAGS='-g -xO4' MAKE='make '
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/src'
EMACSLOADPATH="/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/src/../lisp/prim" ./temacs -batch -l ../prim/update-elc.el

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make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/src'
MAKE='make ' sh /usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/lib-src/update-autoloads.sh
 (using ./src/xemacs)
Rebuilding autoloads/custom-loads in /usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11
          with /usr/local/xemacs-20.3-b11/src/xemacs...
Checking for Mule support... Yes
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Loading dired-mule...
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    sb> `src/xemacs -batch -f test-atoms' after building.  Don't
    sb> bother to report anything unless you see output.

OK. Since there was no suspicious output I won't bother to report it.

    sb> Pay attention to the interaction of lisp error signals and the
    sb> zmacs region.  If you don't like the new way it works, now is
    sb> the time to complain.  There has been a huge change in
    sb> behavior in this area, and the current beta defaults to the
    sb> change.

Can you please give an example for this interaction?

    sb> The LOSING_BYTECODE feature is removed.  There are still some
    sb> packages that are broken by this, the biggest being hyperbole.

This breaks `Stockholm' pretty badly. Perhaps it should be mentioned
here that removing .../lisp/efs/default-dir.elc is a workaround. I
know it was in a mail a few days back but it had expired from my
little brain-cache. It was not obvious to me that `removing this
feature' will leave XEmacs-20.3-b11 broken.

    sb> -- iso-acc.el-1.15 (Mule fixes)

Yep, iso-accents-mode works for me, Thanks!

Adrian

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                            Adrian Aichner
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