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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
Date: 12 Jul 1997 00:10:37 +0200
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wmperry@aventail.com (William M. Perry) writes:

> > You do get the errors.  The dubious thing is whether you want the
> > debugger. :-)
> 
> If you have debug-on-error set to non-nil, then _obviously_ you want the
> debugger.

As a matter of fact, I don't want the debugger to be popped up every
time I hit beginning of buffer, or when I press `down' once too many
in the minibuffer, or each time I modify a read-only buffer.  I want
the debugger for errors resulting from running Lisp programs.

Granted, there are times when I /do/ want the debugger to be popped up 
at any error, but those are exceptions, not the rules.  Besides, it is 
much easier to set `debug-on-error' to nil (and effectively disable
the whole thing) than re-create the whole default setting, as we have
it now.

> That's what that [debug-on-error] variable does.

Yes, with the exception of errors handled by `debug-ignored-errors' -- 
exactly as documented.  If you want the full `debug-on-error'
experience, set `debug-ignored-errors' to nil.

> > I mean, why is `debug-ignored-errors' such of annoyance to you all
> > of a sudden?  It's been in GNU Emacs for more than a year (if not
> > much more), and in XEmacs for some time, too.  Do you *really*
> > need backtraces on these types of errors?  Why don't you set
> > `debug-ignored-errors' to nil?
> 
>   Why should we have to? :)

Because you want the debugger to pop up on every error! :-)

> Religious fire is beginning to crackle. :)

MAHEN, IT'S THE WOUOURLD WOUR THREE!  IT'S THE FUCKIN' WOURLD WOUR
THREE, MAN!

THEN ...

Kyle will know this one. :-)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

