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From: Kyle Jones <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com>
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David Moore writes:
 > Kyle Jones <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
 > 
 > > What broken behavior?  Emacs chooses an address that is wrong and
 > > feeds it to sendmail.  sendmail assumes that this address, being
 > > syntactically valid, is what you meant, and leave it alone.  How
 > > is this sendmail's fault, or the system administrators fault?
 > > What is broken, other than Emacs?
 > 
 > The problem reported is that `(system-name)' on sun's often returns a
 > non-FQDN, and the installed of emacs didn't set mail-host-address in the
 > site-init.el file.  The problem is that these machines connected to a
 > network have no idea what their own name is other than `foo', they don't
 > know that they are also `foo.bar.com'.
 > 
 > Perhaps the XEmacs install process, should demand a proper hostname.
 > But that doesn't work with binary distributions.
 > 
 > The fact is that lots of things want to know the user's real mail
 > address, and _are not_ going to be talking to sendmail.
 > [...]

In the rest of your message you move quite far from what I
perceive to be the basic problem, which is that Emacs guesses
whether the current host name is the right name to use for
e-mail, and it guesses wrong and mail bounces as a result.

I don't care what (system-name) returns on a Sun.  The relevant
question is whether that value should be used for e-mail.  If the
answer is `no' then what system-name returns makes no difference.

