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From: Jens Lautenbacher <jens@metrix.de>
Date: 16 Mar 1997 01:06:39 +0100
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Adrian Aichner <aichner@ecf.teradyne.com> writes:

> >>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>	 [putting in a big DTD with netscape, msie and all evil things
>	 under the sun] 
> 
> Hrvoje,
> 
> while I agree that having such a beast might be helpful in some cases,
> I would hate to have this as a default for the following reasons:
> 
>  o psgml-html would not promote open standards but instead spread
>    usage and acceptance of vendor-specific HTML-dialects.

Please. This is no religion. I'm making part time money with web
technologies, and it's just that you _need_ all these netscape/msie
extensions if you want real funky web pages. The web is in the
commercial world not for /information/ but for /advertisement/, and
even where it is meant as a information about a certain company this
company simply *has* to make use of all the design possibilities the
WWW offers -- they don't care about the theoretical background of sgml
or the like.

Even these sgml things are no religious things but serve a certain use
in their environment. Content/Layout separation is crucial when
distributing documents only for the information that's included in
them in textual form (like papers or other  scientific purposes).

But nevertheless there _are_ other forms of information which may well
be transported more via the design than the textual info. (E.g. having
a new logo in some random editor maybe gives just a good impression of it's
general `spiffiness` with respect to it's competitors although it
doesn't carry  more information).

I don't want to start a flame war about this, but from a practical
point of view XEmacs isn't as useful as it could be for me now when
doing html editing. If we can change this we should do so.
  
>  o psgml-html syntax checking via `sgml-next-trouble-spot'(C-c C-o)
>    would give HTML novices the ill-usion that their document is even
>    *good* HTML
> 
People actually using XEmacs for web design have enought knowledge
about what they do or do not, I suppose. The people you talk about don't
use (plain text) editors anymore for HTML.

Regards,
		JTL

