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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
To: eeide@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Eric Eide)
Cc: XEmacs Beta Test <xemacs-beta@xemacs.org>
Subject: Re: Planned interface tweaks for beta6/beta33
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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Eide <eeide@jaguar.cs.utah.edu> writes:

Eric> PS --- `framepop' is quite neat, actually.  I hacked the current
Eric> version of `framepop' to work with XEmacs but haven't propagated
Eric> my changes back to the author because I haven't had the
Eric> opportunity to make them look pretty.  I would be happy to share
Eric> my hacked version with people on this beta list, however, if
Eric> people are interested in testing `framepop' with XEmacs.  I'm
Eric> signing off for the week now; I'll respond to requests if any on
Eric> Monday.

Wearing my maintainer hat, I'd like all useful packages to be
available with XEmacs - you and the framepop author should decide.  

If it's going to be included with 19.15/20.0, then time is of the essence.

On a personal note, this is functionality that has always interested
me.  It's really hard to get this right in a way that makes everyone
happy.  A big Emacs user interface problem is the fact that there are
2 window systems in action, and they work differently (the native
Emacs one is a tiling wm).  You don't want to just throw out the
tiling window manager because some buffers are associated with each
other, and so `belong together' in one frame.

Martin

