Date:	Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:55:46 -1000
From:	hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009)
Message-Id: <3abe9i$9vg@newsbf01.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: AKA National ranking system/Scoring

In article <Pine.A32.3.91.941114144830.79951B-100000@lamar.ColoState.EDU>,
Kenneth Yoder <kyoder@lamar.ColoState.EDU> writes:

>  Thinks that national ranking and scoring are same issue.   Training
judges....

I'm not sure what part of the country you're from, but the Eastern League
has put on a comprehensive training effort over the last few years.  The
East Coast Championships at Wildwood over Memorial Day have a full day
session with shadow judging for the rest of the weekend.  Then the smaller
events each have a topical judging seminar on topics like:  League Style
Precision, Quad Ballet, Team events, Pairs events, Stack events, etc. 
They always lead to further exchange of ideas which I also think is good. 
However, there is still the human element.  And humans use different
scales or ranges within the same scale.  I've heard comments from judges
like that was a good average execution or a poor average execution.  Or
the figure was executed well, but it was an easy figure.  Well, I don't
see where the rule book addresses complexity of figure when judging
precision.  You know, like the square is simple so it's perfect execution
is worth only 5 while 2 circles in a rectangle is harder so it is worth
7.5 at perfection and the hardest is the heartbeat worth 10 if perfect.  I
think that it would make sense, but isn't in practice now.

Alice Hayden

(OK Corey, I changed the name, but they do seem intrinsically related to
me.)

8^)


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Date:	Wed, 16 Nov 1994 04:07:05 -1000
From:	Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky)
Message-Id: <3ad3m9$14k@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>
Organization: Netcom
Subject: Re: AKA National ranking system/Scoring

In <3abe9i$9vg@newsbf01.news.aol.com> hayden1009@aol.com (Hayden1009) 
writes: 

>I'm not sure what part of the country you're from, but the Eastern 
>League has put on a comprehensive training effort over the last few 
>years.

The South West Sport Kite Conference has put together a judging slide 
presentation to help judges understand the RULES. We are also putting 
together our first annual competition/event seminar scheduled for the 
Saturday before the 68th annual Zilker Park Kite Festival in Austin, TX 
(not sure but I think it's scheduled for March 11, 1995.)

The symposim is to discuss several topics:
	1) Rules
	2) Judging Precision and Ballet
	3) Competitors issues
	4) Event Organizers issues
	5) Ranking

Speakers so far include;
	1) Abel Ortega
	2) Mr.Nasty
	3) Richard Dermer

We are still open for additional speakers and topics. The slide 
presentation is available from Fiesta Kite Ideas and is FREE!!! (Just 
put in a bit of consideration for postage and handling and wraping and 
tape and glue and string and time and envelope and saliva.) The 
presentation is on disk and can be viewed from Power Point 
Viewer (windows).

>Well, I don't see where the rule book addresses complexity of figure 
>when judging precision.  You know, like the square is simple so it's 
>perfect execution is worth only 5 while 2 circles in a rectangle is 
>harder so it is worth 7.5 at perfection and the hardest is the 
>heartbeat worth 10 if perfect.  I think that it would make sense, but 
>isn't in practice now.

This is a good idea and probably should be incorporated into the rules 
book as part of the consideration. One note for the new competitors:
The rules book as you now see it was designed from a rules book which 
was put together by Roger Chewning. Over the past several years it has 
under gone seveal small minor changes and many elaborate generalized 
additions. (Mostly, [from another source] by Robie Sugarman.)

Mr.Nasty


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