From: Terry Wilwerding DDS Subject: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:52:53 -1000 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Message-ID: I was planning on buying an intermediate/advanced kite. I've narrowed my options down to Dodd Gross' Jam Session or Tori Tako's Silencer. The kite I'm looking for should be kind of an intermediate kite but also be able to do axels and the like. Has anyone ever flown one of these kites? Just looking for someone who could tell me which one would be better. Thanks in advance. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: fsiegel@linet06.li.net (Frank Siegel) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 17:33:44 -1000 Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network) Message-ID: <4n3m6o$mnr@linet06.li.net> Terry Wilwerding DDS (tmjw@creighton.edu) wrote: : I was planning on buying an intermediate/advanced kite. I've narrowed my : options down to Dodd Gross' Jam Session or Tori Tako's Silencer. The : kite I'm looking for should be kind of an intermediate kite but also be : able to do axels and the like. Has anyone ever flown one of these Dear Terry, I've had a chance to fly the Jam Session a fair amount, and watch both a non-expert and Dodd fly the Jam Session. No one kite does it all- but the Jam Session is extremely versatile and capable of very advanced tricks. It slides as well as any kite I own, and does axles easily. It's not as radical as my Box of Tricks- but is much more versatile. With the supplied screens, it handles fairly high winds very well and yet can fly well in fairly light winds (although it's clearly not an ultralight). We've crashed it more times than I'd want to have recorded, and nothing has broken. The only thing I dislike (and I've told Dodd), is that the standoffs project behind the sail- which has lead to *many* tangles when trying and learning the tricks in Flight School III. To me, this is a flaw- according to Dodd, the designer feels it's a feature, in that it helps provide traction on groundwork. I watched Dodd fly it- he never seems to tangle. Watching a master fly the Jam Session shows that the kite can basically do it all- the limits to what it can do will be my limits, not the kites. At this point, my wife and people who try to get in my car think I have too many kites (I, of course, disagree)- so I haven't yet been gifted with another kite. But I will own a Jam Session (the polyester version) soon, and think it's a great choice. (I do hope the standoff mountings are changed before that, or I become a better flyer first). I can't make a comparison- but if I had to go out with one kite, I'd take a Jam Session over any kite in my bag/trunk/back seat. Frank (the other one, not nasty at all) Note: I have no financial interest in djskites other than that I'm a very satisfied customer, and a happy student of Dodd's Flight School. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: Ray Patterson Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 18:44:54 -1000 Organization: trib.com Casper Wyoming Message-ID: <31956CC6.3BB0C651@trib.com> Terry Wilwerding DDS wrote: > > I was planning on buying an intermediate/advanced kite. I've narrowed my > options down to Dodd Gross' Jam Session or Tori Tako's Silencer. The > kite I'm looking for should be kind of an intermediate kite but also be > able to do axels and the like. Has anyone ever flown one of these > kites? Just looking for someone who could tell me which one would be > better. Thanks in advance. I have flown the Jam Session and it's a very nice kite. It's radical but not hard to fly at all. I haven't flown the silencer so I can't give you a comparrison. -Ray -- ** When you can keep your head and all about are losing theirs... maybe you just don't understand the situation ** Ray Patterson ... mailto:ray@trib.com SkyRays Kites http://www.ragged.com/kites = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: dbarnes@whidbey.net (dick barnes) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 16:00:22 -1000 Organization: WhidbeyNet Message-ID: <4n653m$836@news.whidbey.com> >Terry Wilwerding DDS wrote: >> >> I was planning on buying an intermediate/advanced kite. I've narrowed my >> options down to Dodd Gross' Jam Session or Tori Tako's Silencer. The >> kite I'm looking for should be kind of an intermediate kite but also be >> able to do axels and the like. Has anyone ever flown one of these >> kites? Just looking for someone who could tell me which one would be >> better. Thanks in advance. Now, this is just MHO..... I'm not a novice flyer, but I'm not really good either. I have both the Jam Session and the Silencer. The Silencer flys very nice as low as 2 maybe 3 mph. It flys and handles nice. It does stunts in 2 mph and reacts to commands. Yes, it does axels, etc. in that wind range. The Silencer is not a UL. The Jam Session flys very nice in 8 to 10 mph. In 5 mph it seems like a bull in a China shop. (sorry dodd). What are your average winds? When do you want to fly? For me, the Silencer is a far better choice. I can fly the Silencer on very low wind days and in brisk winds. The Jam Session is not an option on a normal breezy day here.... The Silencer does most tricks easier and better than the Jam Session (IMHO). The Silencer is a very well balanced kite and reacts similar to the Airmaster kites. Tori Tako gets my vote, hands down. dick barnes coupeville wa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: kevaa@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 05:56:28 -1000 Organization: Pipeline Message-ID: <4n51nc$d07@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com> On May 12, 1996 03:33:44 in article , 'fsiegel@newshost.li.net (Frank Siegel)' wrote: >Watching a master fly the Jam Session shows that the kite can >basically do it all- the limits to what it can do will be my limits, not >the kites. I'm not trying to bad mouth the Jam Session because I have never flown it however, when a master flies any kite, the flier has more to do with the performance than the kite. A master flier can make almost any kite look good. I hope to try out a Jam Session this upcoming weekend at the Great Lakes Sport Kite Champs!! It sounds like a very good kite, if I like it I may try to convice my fiance that it should be in our bag!! Terry one suggestion, if you can, go to a competiton and hit the demo fields!, these are there so you can try out alot of different kites that you may not know about. Kevin = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: bluekites@inmind.com (BlueKites) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 03:05:34 -1000 Organization: Blue Ridge Kites Message-ID: <4n7c09$t0n@mujibur.inmind.com> In article , Terry Wilwerding DDS wrote: >I was planning on buying an intermediate/advanced kite. I've narrowed my >options down to Dodd Gross' Jam Session or Tori Tako's Silencer. The Jam Session wins my vote. Better flight manners, trick-ability, meterials and detail oriented assemblely. James Ervin/Blue Ridge Kites/Check out the new kite page at bluekites@inmind.com/ http://www.inmind.com/people/jervin/kites.html (540) 586-9590 And the new Benjamin Kite Cartoon at http://www.inmind.com/people/jervin/ben.html ____________________________________________________________________ Can I go home now? My brain is full. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: djskites@aol.com (Djskites) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 03:40:58 -1000 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Message-ID: <4n7e5a$1c3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> >Terry Wilwerding DDS wrote: >> >> I was planning on buying an intermediate/advanced kite. I've narrowed my >> options down to Dodd Gross' Jam Session or Tori Tako's Silencer. The >> kite I'm looking for should be kind of an intermediate kite but also be >> able to do axels and the like. Has anyone ever flown one of these >> kites? Just looking for someone who could tell me which one would be >> better. Thanks in advance. Now, this is just MHO..... I'm not a novice flyer, but I'm not really good either. I have both the Jam Session and the Silencer. The Silencer flys very nice as low as 2 maybe 3 mph. It flys and handles nice. It does stunts in 2 mph and reacts to commands. Yes, it does axels, etc. in that wind range. The Silencer is not a UL. The Jam Session flys very nice in 8 to 10 mph. In 5 mph it seems like a bull in a China shop. (sorry dodd). What are your average winds? When do you want to fly? For me, the Silencer is a far better choice. I can fly the Silencer on very low wind days and in brisk winds. The Jam Session is not an option on a normal breezy day here.... The Silencer does most tricks easier and better than the Jam Session (IMHO). The Silencer is a very well balanced kite and reacts similar to the Airmaster kites. ...............well, in my experienced opinion: I have not flown the other kite yet, but will soon. But I do have alot of time on alot of Jam Sessions. Sure a good flier can make most kites look good, but the point you seem to miss is that the Jam was designed for EVERYONE! I've seen time and time again, a new flier make the Jam look good! It is the most durable and versitale advanced sport kite we could come up with and the sales and reviews on a world wide level support this statement. Framed in .2300 Avia, the Jam is not a UL, but most fliers can fly it very well in 3-4 (without braking china) and as far as the high wind range is concerned..... The Tramontana Vented is considered by alot of fliers to be the best High wind sport kite available. Yesterday in winds from 20-35 I was flying both kites and both handled the high end with no problem. I used an HQ Screen in addition to the screens that come with the Jam. We are very proud of the Jam Session. I agree with one thing Dick said and that is to try it for yourself. In my expert opinion, the Jam is the best package available which includes many extras(screens, video,ect.....) at a low affordable price. Come see me at the "Tramontana Action Tour Tent" at Wildwood NJ, Grand Haven MI, and in Road Island later this summer, and forget what he says or even what I and thousands of happy Jam Session owners World wide SAY.............. try it for yourself! For the money, you can't go wrong. Dodd Gross North and South America Importer/Wholesaler of HQ & Fizz Sport Kites Master Instructor Flight School World Tour Flight School Instructional Video Series \\\\\\\\\\\\Disclaimer/////////////// Because of my involvement with the above products and services, my views and statements may be seen as biased. I can assure you I am a flier FIRST! Quote of the month "Hay alquien aqui que hable ingles?" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: jtavo@westnet.com (John Tavolacci) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:46:02 -1000 Organization: WestNet Internet Services Message-ID: In article <4n7e5a$1c3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, djskites@aol.com (Djskites) wrote: ------------------ Major advertisement cut------------------------------ > and as far as the high wind range is concerned..... The Tramontana Vented > is considered by alot of fliers to be the best High wind sport kite > available. Yesterday in winds from 20-35 I was flying both kites and both > handled the high end with no problem. I used an HQ Screen in addition to > the screens that come with the Jam. > > We are very proud of the Jam Session. I agree with one thing Dick said and > that is to try it for yourself. > > In my expert opinion, the Jam is the best package available which includes > many extras(screens, video,ect.....) at a low affordable price. I thought the MYSL was the best kite on the planet! This was told to us by another expert opinion!! Whats going on here/??????????????????????? John = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: trail@galaxynet.com (Trail) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:47:46 -1000 Organization: Connect Northwest Message-ID: <4nav22$cbr@lassen.cnw.com> In article <4n7e5a$1c3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, djskites@aol.com says... >that is to try it for yourself. > >In my expert opinion, the Jam is the best package available which includes >many extras(screens, video,ect.....) at a low affordable price. Again, I have to agree with the Dodd. This is the finest package I've ever seen. Dodd's videos are excellent education. His flying guide is great; very good explaination of many maneuvers. I asked Dodd for permission to repoduce his guide for my school children and he sent me thirty copies of it. I love the sleeve, it is the greatest thing I've ever had to put a kite into. This sleeve zips across the top and down the front, it has a pouch for the wind screen and lines. The construction of the kite is top shelf. But.... The kite itself is not me... I don't fly it well and do not get the reward it has to offer. Go fly the kite. Go fly the Silencer. See which *you* perfer. One universal trait of a kite flyer; they'll let you fly their kite.. dick barnes coupeville wa = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From: W.Nickolay@kiel.netsurf.de (W.Nickolay) Subject: Re: Jam Session or Silencer Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:09:20 -1000 Organization: commercial link systems Message-ID: <4nipqi$42i@freeside.cls.de> djskites@aol.com (Djskites) wrote: >In my expert opinion, the Jam is the best package available which includes >many extras(screens, video,ect.....) at a low affordable price. ''''''''''' Hi Dodd, I think the JAM SESSION is a great kite for everyone.It does tricks easily etc. but I was annoyed about the manual/video that comes with the kite. As a beginner you'll read the manual/watch the video and there are no descriptions of the tricks shown in the performance video ! :-( So you must walk to your kite dealer and have to purchase your new video 'Flight School III Tricks' if you're interested in flying all those nice tricks! (by the way the new Flight School is great !!!) I think the JAM SESSION package would be even better if the Flight School video will be included in the future.The performance video is only another way of advertising for the 4 kites shown there. I think it would be a better way to offer the performance video to interested people BEFORE they'll order one of these kites !!! nice greetings from germany Wolfgang W.Nickolay@kiel.netsurf.de ( I hope my english is o.k. ) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =