From: (Tony Lindsey) xxltony@cts.com
Subject: Mac*Chat#110/24-May-96
Mac*Chat#110/24-May-96
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Highlights Of This Issue
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I ask for help in tracking-down toxic font suitcases, warn
readers to proceed carefully before loading the utilities that
readers rave about in the following section, I praise the Apple
color laser printer (and heap scorn upon the Epson Pro XL), Randy
Chevrier comes through with a hot tip about mac-information, we
get more information about System 7.5.3 and System 8, we learn
something new about ShrinkWrap, I finally include the
information omitted from the last issue concerning infrared
transceivers, and we continue to chew up the topic of Web Spiders
and how to foil them.
Topics:
Highlights Of This Issue
Editor's Notes
What Are The Best Tools For Finding Radioactive Fonts?
Loading New Extensions And Control Panels - A Warning
Favorite Utilities - Readers Speak Out
What's A Really Good, Reasonably-Inexpensive Color Printer?
Another Nice Database Of Mac Info
System 7.5.3, System 8, And 7.5.3 In Europe
ShrinkWrap Update
Online Chat - What's The Best Way To Learn More?
Tony's Reply - What's The Best Way To Chat Online?
Web Spiders, Continued
Legalisms
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Editor's Notes
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By Tony Lindsey <TLindsey@cts.com>
I'm currently re-working my web-pages. I was shocked and
surprised to see myself getting billed up to $40 a month for
web-traffic that I suspect is largely due to over-energetic
web-spiders (see issues 108 and 109). There's no WAY I'm
getting 32,000 visits from human beings in a month. I'm shifting
my web-pages over to America Online, since I'm already paying for
that service for myself and several family-members.
I'm also doing final touch-ups on the rate-card information for
advertisers, so if you don't see those ads yet, it's because I'm
holding people off until I can get the wording right.
What Are The Best Tools For Finding Radioactive Fonts?
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By Tony Lindsey <TLindsey@cts.com>
As I wander from client to client, helping them get out of nasty
scrapes, I find that many of them own fonts that are elderly and
not all that dependable with the newest Macs and System versions.
Most of those fonts will work fine, whether when dropped into
the System folder's Fonts folder, or accessed through utilities
like Suitcase.
However, what do we do to find the occasional, random "bad"
fonts? I call them "radioactive" fonts, since their toxicity is
undetectable except by its results - Crashes, programs quitting,
stuff like that. I've tried all sorts of techniques and tools,
such as Font Harmony, which came with an earlier version of
Suitcase. Nothing I've seen except hours of effort can nail down
the one bad font out of hundreds installed.
Is there a tool or technique that I'm missing here? I'll even
take off-the-wall tips, as long as they work.
Loading New Extensions And Control Panels - A Warning
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By Tony Lindsey <TLindsey@cts.com>
In issue #108, I asked folks to nominate their favorite
utilities. I received hundreds of replies, and people felt quite
strongly about their choices. I've limited my re-posts to the
replies that explained WHY folks liked those utilities, rather
than just listing them.
I cannot recommend or discredit any of the utilities in the next
section, (except for PopChar, which I really, really like a lot).
It's a darned good idea to watch your computer VERY CLOSELY to
see if you experience crashes or freeze-ups after loading ONE new
utility, particularly on PowerMacs. **DO NOT** cram your System
folder with many new, untested extensions and Control Panels
unless you have a lot of idle time to de-bug your Mac.
If you're running System 7.5 or later, it might be a good idea to
get accustomed to Extensions Manager, which comes free with the
System (or, see issue #108 and 109 for discussion of Conflict
Catcher, which costs extra). If your Mac experiences a bomb or
any other horrid happenstance, re-start the computer and then
immediately hold down the space bar until you see a window titled
"Extensions Manager." At that point, let go of the space bar.
You'll see a long, scrollable list of extensions and Control
Panels. Each one has a space to the left where there is a
check-mark or a space waiting for one. If you click on one item,
the checkmark turns on or off. When you close the window by
clicking on the upper-left-corner box, the items without
check-marks will not be loaded at start-up.
Let's say you load some new treat called "MisterBubbles" into
your System folder and re-start, and suddenly your mouse refuses
to move after you pull down a menu... Re-start with the space
bar, turn off Mister-Troublemaker-Bubbles and see if the problem
goes away.
Here's another tip - you'll see a pull-down selector called
"Sets" at the top of the Extensions Manager window. Pull it down
and notice that you'll see "All On," All Off," and "System
7.5(whatever)." That last choice is a good one for stripping all
non-Apple-provided extensions out of your way before installing
software off of a CD-ROM. This is better than holding down the
shift-key while re-starting, because that turns off ALL
extensions, including the ones that make the CD-ROM drive work.
Favorite Utilities - Readers Speak Out
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[I have plenty of "Fave Utilities" material for several more
issues... I've been using PopChar and TypeIt4Me without problems
for many months. Anything more than that and I get nervous...]
By Generic Kalar <kalar@brainerd.net>
My favorite comes with every system, never crashes, doesn't have
to be downloaded, and is infinitely customizable.
Create a folder on the desktop of the boot drive. I keep mine on
the center left of the desktop. Put an alias of this folder in
the Startup Items system folder. Set the View to By Small Icon.
Now you load this baby up with aliases to your favorite programs,
folders and documents. Double-click to access them. Drag onto
them to do conversions, unstuff, edit text files with alternative
editors, etc.
Beats the Apple Menu for me!
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By: Jerry Levinson <levinson@hawaii.edu>
My favorite utility is Super Fontina from Eastgate Systems. This
gem changes your font menu into a
several-columns-across-your-screen display. So you can see a
hundred font names without scrolling way down your list.
It also shows the actual typeface in a window at the top of the
font list in your choice of size. The font list is displayed in
the font of your choice. It does a few other neat things but the
multi-column view is great.
Eastgate Systems, PO Box 1307, Cambridge, MA 02238. 617-924-9044.
<http://www.eastgate.com>
They also do a lot with hypertext and their Web Squirrel for
managing lists of internet goodies look cool, too.
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By Kirk Rogers <krogers@ecn.purdue.edu>
Dragthing 1.5.1 (now 1.6 is out)!!!
Like launcher but an even better way to organize your desktop.
With v. 1.5, you can keep several different alias'/icons in
different groups in the same dock, can monitor the number of apps
running, close the running app, quit all running apps, get info,
drag-copy aliases, etc. It's e-mail ware (Cool Stuff Ware,
really) and doesn't add any extensions.
Only compatible with the scriptable finder (i.e. 7.1+ AppleScript
or newer)
Low coefficient of crashability. Even keeps a backup preferences
file which it will use to restore the original if it gets trashed
(which happened to much of my system folder the last time I tried
Open Transport on my PB 5300c).
</info-mac/gui/drag-thing-16.hqx
</info-mac/gui/drag-thing-16-manual-pdf.hqx
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By: Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout@math.ucla.edu>
TrashBag. A trashcan that behaves like a folder, so you can run
programs that are in it, or open documents that are in it.
Suggested use: for netscape cache, or to download .hqx files to
and expand them there. At startup (or restart) the contents of
the trash bag are moved to the real trash. It's a great way to
reduce clutter.
</info-mac/disk/trash-bag-11.hqx>
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By: OWL <71333.3152@CompuServe.COM>
My favorite is a shareware control panel called Snap-To by
Trevden Sherzell. It's simple and useful. It snaps the cursor to
the default button in a dialog/alert box, allowing you to quickly
click the button without moving the mouse/trackball. It has an
option to snap back to its original place. So simple and useful
that I wish it would be included as part of System software. If
Apple picks up stuff like WindowShade, of marginal utility, it
should definitely include Snap-To functionality in the Mac OS 8.
</info-mac/gui/snap-to-20.hqx>
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By: Ben Cox <Ben_Cox@transarc.com>
Two of my favorites are Escapade, which lets you select buttons
by typing their first letter in any dialog box that doesn't have
a TextEdit field, and, StickyClick, which lets you click once on
a menu and it stays down until you click again. I've never
experienced a crash with either of them.
</info-mac/gui/escapade-132.hqx>
</info-mac/cfg/sticky-click-12.hqx
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By: Rick <CMUGRick@aol.com>
I nominate Excalibur 2.2.1. It is an excellent spell checker. It
is not like all those other ones. Excalibur will open and spell
check a document, but best of all, it will spell something you
have copied to the clip board. You make your changes and then
paste it back in the document. You are working in a text editor
and you do a command A, Command C, open Excalibur and check the
text in the clipboard, make the changes you need, save the
clipboard, click on your original document and do a Command V and
poof your changes are made. Where it shines is working with
email, Simple Text documents, script editors for HTML pages and
the like. I have been using it for 4 or 5 months without any
problem on a Centris 650 and 7100 PPC but I am sure it will work
on most Macs. It is system 7 friendly. I have mine in my Apple
Menu so it is ready any time I need it. Best of all it is
freeware!!! Hard to believe, but it is true.
</info-mac/text/excalibur-222.hqx>
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By Dale Craddock <dalec@tpost1.netspace.or.jp>
Ditto what you said about Conflict Catcher, as something of a
Control Panel Junkie I couldn't live without it. Furthermore I'm
dying to upgrade to Suitcase but their International Office Fax
Machine is always busy
As to my favourite utilities I'd like to nominate two (that I
have locked on with CC): TypeIt4Me and Finder Extension Enabler.
TypeIt4Me, as you probably know has been around for quite awhile
and ever since I installed it, it has been indispensable.
TypeIt4Me lets you enter frequently used information with a
trigger of your choosing. I can enter my name, address, telephone
number, visa card number and most passwords with an average of
three keystrokes; whenever I have to use the same name or phrase
a lot in the same report I create an abbreviation for it and save
a lot of time.
</info-mac/gui/type-it-for-me-451.hqx>
</info-mac/gui/finder-extension-enabler-11.hqx>
Finder Extension Enabler is fairly recent and allows your Mac to
do three things: Create an Alias by Control-dragging, Add an
Reveal Original (of an Alias) command to the File Menu, and use
Command-Delete to move any highlit item(s) to the Trash. Actually
I only use the last item, you can disable any of them with
ResEdit (yet another GREAT utility) and it's another terrific
time saver.
Now if I had to choose one it would have to be TypeIt4Me. In
addition Finder Extension Enabler doesn't really meet your
criteria since, if memory serves me well it only works with
System 7.5.1 or higher. (you might want to check on that.)
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By: <ddorr@mindspring.com>
BEST UTILITY: Window Shade. I work on a PC all day and have fun
on a mac I constantly find my self double clicking on the menu
bars of the windows machines to no avail.
</info-mac/gui/window-shade-12.hqx>
[This also comes free with System 7.5 and later versions - I love
it on smaller screens. I set it for a double-click, and every
window rolls up into just a title-bar. This works very well on
tool palettes in Photoshop and other professional programs.]
Second place for me MALPH. A floating toolbar much like the ms
office for windows toolbar.
</info-mac/gui/malph-25.hqx>
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By: Doug Lobdell, Colorado <doug@cos.srs.com>
ONE fav utility, eh - that's a hard one. For something that sure
makes my Mac more fun to use, I love Godot's World. More than any
in one 'User Interface Modification Device' than many other
utilities put together. Pop-up switching between all your active
processes, windows, and apps, MANY Copland-esque GUI enhancements
like choices of many cool buttons, fonts, etc., - I muck with
colors and buttons and stuff every week or two to keep my Mac
always fresh and new. Two minor negatives - every function is not
immediately clear (although trial and error works fine), and GW
works better if I rename it to load early in the extensions load
process - it seems to not work (but not adversely crash anything
else) otherwise. But it's well worth these minor downsides.
</info-mac/gui/godots-world-172-cdev.hqx>
But when it comes to real utility - accomplishing something,
rather than just looking nice - I've got to go with Hover Bar. I
used to use PowerBar, which has some really nice features, but
I've been trying Hover Bar for about a week now and like it
better. I customize little workset bars, then only make them
visible when I'm working specific things - like all my 'net and
web utilities and programs when I'm HTMLing - then I turn that
off and go to my Microsoft bar when I need to do the stuff they
pay me for. :) Absolutely no conflicts yet - seems to be rock
stable.
</info-mac/gui/hover-bar-128.hqx>
[Doug also praised WebArranger, which will be covered in the next
issue.]
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By James Mitchell, Melbourne, Australia <jam@netspace.net.au>
<http://netspace.net.au./~jam/>
Default Folder 2.5.7 ($25 shareware from St Clair software)
Gets me to my work folders quickly.
Helps keep my housemate from saving files in the application's
folder.
</info-mac/gui/default-folder-26.hqx>
Runners-up
Forward Delete (freeware by Fabrizio Oddone) faceless, tiny and
works. Makes the Forward Delete key on the extended keyboard
(under Help) work.
</info-mac/gui/forward-delete-114.hqx>
Popchar (freeware by Gunther Blaschek)
Has a few conflicts which are well-documented in the online help.
</info-mac/gui/pop-char-272.hqx>
[I dearly love PopChar, and so do every single one of my clients,
since I load it on their Macs without a single compatibility
problem. In case you don't know what it does, imagine the
following scenario: You are in a word-processing or
desktop-publishing program. As you are typing, you need to type
a rarely-used character, such as a yen symbol or a trademark.
Just pull down PopChar's menu, point to the character you want
and let go. Your unusual character appears right where you
left-off typing. If you change your font to Zapf Dingbats, and
need a pair of scissors inserted into your text, PopChar shows
THAT font exactly as you want, and automatically. Personally, I
change the setting on a large-screened Mac so that the menu shows
up on the right side of the menubar. Go get PopChar!]
Twilight (shareware by Robert Lukassen)
An excellent screen-saver with no CPU overhead.
</info-mac/app/ss/twilight-721.hqx>
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By: Noah Bast <nbast@eznet.net>
I have to pick Hoverbar as my favorite utility. I have three
bars, one with all my internet related apps, One with commonly
used applications, and one with currently running apps and
utilities like Stuffit expander and shrinkwrap. The combination
of Hoverbar and Popup Folder make using other people's "cleaner"
Macs a real chore sometimes...
</info-mac/gui/hover-bar-128.hqx>
What's A Really Good, Reasonably-Inexpensive Color Printer?
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By Tony Lindsey <TLindsey@cts.com>
Normally, it's not my policy to gang-up on a product, but I feel
very strongly about this - Do NOT consider the Epson Stylus Pro
XL color inkjet printer as a printer for any reason.
A client of mine received one as a gift, and it had to be the
most atrociously non-Mac-oriented printer I've ever seen. I've
wasted hours of non-billable time trying to make the software
behave properly. The PostScript software that claims to work
with it is a joke, taking up 11 megs of RAM, and forcing my very
non-technical client to jump through hoops, adding about a dozen
steps to the normal printing process. Not only that - The
software crashes her computer. When she'd call Epson for
support, she'd be on hold for three hours. I told her to send it
back in a box.
My clients that own the $600 Apple Color Laser Printer 12/600 are
100% satisfied with it - The quality is as good as that $100,000
Canon Color Copier was a few years back, and it's dependable and
simple. It's as big as a house, but it's my favorite printer. I
want one like crazy.
Is there something as good (and free of aggravation) as the Apple
color laser printer, but for less?
Another Nice Database Of Mac Info
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By: Randy Chevrier, Broken Arrow, OK <maxmacs@iAmerica.net>
[In issue #109, I praised the Apple Spec utility from Apple - I
think it makes an essential reference tool for a consultant or
technician...]
I've found the Macintosh Catalog Database to be a better
formatted source of information for my use. You might check it
out to see what you think. They also have a "data only" version
(202K) and a "run-time" version (977K) accessible from the same
page.
<http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/mu_0296/utility.html>
System 7.5.3, System 8, And 7.5.3 In Europe
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By Elaine Nowak <enowak@norstar.on.ca>
If you have questions or problems with system 7.5.3 please visit
this neat site!!! It's a must see!
<http://www.norstar.on.ca/System-753/tips.html>
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By: Dave Fitch, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
<dlf@geo.ed.ac.uk>
If you want to find out about System 8, go to
<http://www.macos.apple.com/macos8/>
By the way, Apple Europe has [to my complete shock] sent out free
copies of 7.5.3 (yes, NOT the 7.5.2 Update but 7.5.3) all by
itself and of its own volition. Talk about stunned :-)
My understanding is that if you've registered your machine with
Apple, you'll get a CD-ROM, since we're "early adopters" - Market
speak for gullible :-). This includes 90 days tech support, and
if you're completely useless :-) you get a coupon to get an Apple
Authorised Service Provider to install the update for you. This
software runs ONLY on the 7200/7500/8500/9500.
This was sent out by Apple Computer, Inc., Enterprise Division,
Europe, whoever that is. For assistance people can contact
System 7.5.3 Update Program
Apple Assistance Centre
P.O. Box763
Slough, Berkshire
England, SL1 1YQ.
I can't guarantee (obviously!) that this address is fine for the
rest of Europe. Apparently (according to MacWay) Spanish versions
of the upgrade are also being distributed on an upcoming Spanish
MacWorld CD-ROM.
The Apple Europe site
<http://www.euro.apple.com>
hasn't been updated in 10 weeks, so people may be better off
checking their local apple sites. However the site does have the
upgrade and is pretty fast:
<ftp://ftp.info.euro.apple.com/Apple.Support.Area/Apple.Software.Updates/Wor
ldwide/Worldwide/Macintosh/System/System_7.5_Update_2.0/>
Gives you a list of all the localised versions.
ShrinkWrap Update
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[In issue #108, Joseph Schaller wrote about ShrinkWrap, saying
"These disk images 'mount' in memory, as if I had numerous floppy
drives." I consider ShrinkWrap to be an essential tool for a
consultant.]
By: Paul Durrant <pdurrant@durrant.demon.co.uk>
With ShrinkWrap 1.4.2 and the new 2.0.1, mounting images in
memory is an option. You can mount images straight off the disk.
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By Steve Baumgarten <sbb@panix.com>
I believe this ShrinkWrap option has been available for some time
now, and I always leave it checked in the preferences dialog box.
Photonics Infrared Transceivers
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By Tony Lindsey <TLindsey@cts.com>
[Due to a last-minute mistake, I omitted the following article from
issue #109]
In issue 108, Joseph mentioned a little box that plugs into
your Mac's Appletalk network, allowing totally transparent and
effortless networking without wires. This is VERY nice for folks
who want to carry a Newton or Mac Powerbook around and stay
connected to the network. Here's what Joseph said:
"For general connections between my Duo and my network or other
computers, I have used the Photonics "Cooperative" Localtalk
infrared transceivers for about a year and a half. These are
battery- or AC- or Powerbook-powered square flats about 2" that
connect directly to the serial port... Think of them as a
phonenet connector with no wires. That's how the computer sees
them. No software drivers, no extensions."
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I did some more research on behalf of my readers, since I have
seen these little doohickeys in action and liked them. They
bounce the infrared signal off of the walls and ceiling to stay
in contact with other transceivers in the room. Being a brat, I
can't help but imagine how easy it would be to swap notes with a
buddy across the room during tests in college.
This is a diffused infrared network, unlike Apple's direct
line-of-sight 1-meter "docking" setup built into the 5300 series.
It will handle up to 250 devices, and is a networking product,
rather than strictly a docking station like Farallon's infrared
hardware device for Apple's recent Powerbooks.
It can be used two ways - you can pack a room with as many
devices in one room as you can handle (up to 250), with invisible
light beams bouncing all around you. Or, it can be used as a
bridge to connect the network to share with roving computers. It
allows you to add and subtract network nodes at any time and is
very flexible.
You can connect one of these to an EtherPrint box, which acts as
a bridge for connecting your Appletalk network to an Ethernet
network. One guy in Switzerland has used this setup to use his
Powerbook as a portable UNIX terminal.
Their Newton Solution device has a suggested retail of US$179.95,
with more-cost-effective kits costing $259 for Mac & Newton
peer-to-peer connections. All units include a power-base,
allowing these transceivers to plug into the wall power (for
laser printers and stuff).
I would call the company and let them tell you where they're sold
in your area.
DCC Photonics Corp.
1515 Centre Pointe Drive
Milpitas, CA 95035
Phone: <800-997-2326/408-955-7930>
<http://www.datatechnology.com>
Web Spiders, Continued
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[See issues 108 and 109 for the previous discussions]
By Marvin Carlberg <marvin@netcom.com>
<http://www.fatpipe.com/marvin>
Note that the /robots.txt file is also readable by non-robots
(i.e. humans), and you have just advertised to the world the
names of all the private folders on your server. The web robots
generally conform to the rules by not traversing these folders,
but some snoopy web surfers don't necessarily follow the same
code of ethics, and the first place they'll browse on your site
are all the places you have told them not to look.
You should always make sure to install some form of access
protection on all folders you don't want curious eyes looking at.
Many servers have directory indexing turned on by default. An
easy way to prevent someone from browsing through all the files
in a hidden directory is to put an "index.html" file in each of
these directories, and in it just say something like, "I'm sorry,
directory indexing is not allowed at this site" with an HREF back
to the main homepage of the site.
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By Charles Williams, University of Exeter UK
<C.D.H.Williams@exeter.ac.uk>
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tabloid newspaper then don't send it by email and don't store it
on a machine with internet connections..."
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