Date:	Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:51:52 -1000
From:	dgomberg@ednet1.osl.or.gov (David Gomberg)
Message-Id: <199412010851.AA00252@ednet1.osl.or.gov>
Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University
Subject: AKA Rules in New Orleans



I noticed a recent posting by Fran Kenisk, complaining that the
AKA rules were not properly implemented in New Orleans. I found
that a curious comment. I was in New Orleans for that event, and
Frank, himself, was in charge of the sport kite contests!

If Kenisk thinks things weren't done right, he should have
done them different.

New Orleans was an interesting event. The local club, the fliers, 
and the city itself were great. Stu Eisenman of the Kite Loft
was the organizer; as I said, Frank ran the sport kite events.

Unfortunately, the sport kite events weren't run well.

No judges were recruited in advance and instead, were recruited
on the field. There was no pilot meeting. There was no pit boss,
and no pit to speak of. Precision events were run league style,
but Franks scoring sheets and program were set-up for standard
precision. So instead of a single score for "transitions" we
were asked to record "artistic" and "technical{" scores which were
then averaged.

At one point, a flier was called out-of-bounds. (I'm not sure 
how this was determined, since there were no line judges, but
no one disputed the call.) Instead of disqualifying the flier,
he was scratched. The difference is that a a DQ comes in last;
a scratch is considered a no-show. You get points for beating
last place. You also get one point for coming in last. This
distinction harmed everyone in the heat.

At several points, Frank came on the microphone and announced
that this was an AKA sanctioned event, but that "no one
understood the AKA ranking process". Finally, I went to the
mike and explained. "With AKA, you get one point for everyone 
you beat. So if there are ten fliers in a heat, and you win,
how many points do you get?"

A young boy, maybe eight years old, called out from nearby.
"Ten," he said.

"That's right!", I said, "And if you come in fifth, how many 
points do you get?"

"Five!!" the boy yelled.

"That's right again!" ... "So Frank," I announced, "Maybe
you should get this young fellow's phone number so you
can call him any time you have questions about the AKA 
rankings."

I should add that Kenisk was very friendly and polite while
I was at the festival. He hugged me twice and even kissed
me once while he asked someone to take our picture. But his
event didn't run well, and after the first day, the organizer
relieved him of his duties.

I understand that Frank has now made the decision to NOT
include New Orleans results in the South East League rankings.
That seems a shame for those people who used time and money
to attend. Any truth to these reports??

I should also add that everyone seemed to be having fun
at Kite Fest, and I'd encourage any of you to go down and
join them next year. Good people. Good city. Good event.

Good Winds!

--
David Gomberg                       phone: 503-996-3083
7200 Highland Road                  fax:   503-994-9692
Otis, Oregon 97368 USA


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Date:	Thu, 1 Dec 1994 04:52:05 -1000
From:	Mr.Nasty@ix.netcom.com (Frank Kenisky)
Message-Id: <3bknul$qm9@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>
Organization: Netcom
Subject: Re: AKA Rules in New Orleans

In <199412010851.AA00252@ednet1.osl.or.gov> dgomberg@ednet1.osl.or.gov 
(David Gomberg) writes: 

>If Kenisk thinks things weren't done right, he should have
>done them different.

Like you said once before dgombug. Get it right or don't shoot off at 
the mouth with ur diareara.

BTW, I going to send a copy of this posting to Keith Anderson, the Head 
Judge of the event and one of only two who registered in advance. The 
other being John Eddyhausen from Dallas, TX. Not very close to New 
Orleans, LA. BTW John couldn't make it cause he got sick.

Unlike your self he took care of his illness before coming in contact 
with others. Hope you get well soon.

>Frank ran the sport kite events.

>Unfortunately, the sport kite events weren't run well.

On-guard. \\\\ZZZZ////

>No judges were recruited in advance and instead, were recruited
>on the field. There was no pilot meeting. There was no pit boss,
>and no pit to speak of. Precision events were run league style,
>but Franks scoring sheets and program were set-up for standard
>precision. So instead of a single score for "transitions" we
>were asked to record "artistic" and "technical{" scores which were
>then averaged.

For being an individual who did nothing more than sit aside and observe 
you did nothing to help improve what when on, especially in your 
capasity as, "president" of the AKA. Let me fill you in my misinformed 
buddy.

There were only two, count them (2) preregistered individuals. Stu did 
not have any other local contestants registered. There were telephone 
converstations with some of the local kite club individuals but only to 
try and smooth things over since August since Stu had miscommunicated 
among other things, where the field was going to be located. Stu asked 
me to call the local kite club and smooth things over.

As for the League Style scoring, you have dug your own grave my friend. 
Keith Anderson was the Head Judge. (Call him, he'll be more than happy 
to tell you exactly what happened.) I asked Keith to hold a judges 
meeting and then a pilots meeting. dgombug took over the meeting and 
politely asked Keith if he could have the honors. Keith did not want to 
interfear, since you do have the title of "President".

After the first days events, the score keeper, a volunteer from the 
Texas Skyriter Kite Club in Houston, TX, Cynthia Salazar, came up to me 
and said the scoring on the sheets did not match the categories set up 
on the computer.

After analyzing what the judges had done, it was apparent that they were 
trying to judge the event based on standard precision. I took up the 
issue with my head judge. Keith stated that dgombug expained the method 
to the judges.

I also found out later that dgombug told Keith Anderson that since there 
were so few competitors, most of whom were at the judges meeting anyway 
we did not have to have a pilots meeting.

>At one point, a flier was called out-of-bounds. (I'm not sure 
>how this was determined, since there were no line judges, but
>no one disputed the call.) Instead of disqualifying the flier,
>he was scratched. The difference is that a a DQ comes in last;
>a scratch is considered a no-show. You get points for beating
>last place. You also get one point for coming in last. This
>distinction harmed everyone in the heat.

Good point dgombug. Was I supposed to bring the line judges also? And 
what about the size of the field? It shrank, remember or is this 
something U conviently forgot to mention? As for the scratch, I think 
that was probably a misstatement by one of the judges on the field.

>At several points, Frank came on the microphone and announced
>that this was an AKA sanctioned event, but that "no one
>understood the AKA ranking process". Finally, I went to the
>mike and explained. "With AKA, you get one point for everyone 
>you beat. So if there are ten fliers in a heat, and you win,
>how many points do you get?"
>
>A young boy, maybe eight years old, called out from nearby.
>"Ten," he said.
>
>"That's right!", I said, "And if you come in fifth, how many 
>points do you get?"
>
>"Five!!" the boy yelled.
>
>"That's right again!" ... "So Frank," I announced, "Maybe
>you should get this young fellow's phone number so you
>can call him any time you have questions about the AKA 
>rankings."

Yes, I must admit dgombug, U did simplify the system so that it was 
understood by that young boy. But I'm afraid if you examine your own 
explanation you will find that U over simplified. Maybe that's ur 
problem u are just to simplified.

>I should add that Kenisk was very friendly and polite while
>I was at the festival. He hugged me twice and even kissed
>me once while he asked someone to take our picture. But his
>event didn't run well, and after the first day, the organizer
>relieved him of his duties.

Yea, we kissed on the lips and had sex afterwards. dgombug, u didn't 
have to kiss and tell.

>I understand that Frank has now made the decision to NOT
>include New Orleans results in the South East League rankings.
>That seems a shame for those people who used time and money
>to attend. Any truth to these reports??

Right, any event which does not follow the AKA rules will not be 
included in the standing. That is the rule. I ask all event organizers 
to follow the AKA rules. If they do not it is unfair to the contestants 
and other events around the area. Why should an event be included in a 
ranking if it did not follow the rules?

I think ur insurance co. would also ask the same question if there had 
been an accident.

>I should also add that everyone seemed to be having fun
>at Kite Fest, and I'd encourage any of you to go down and
>join them next year. Good people. Good city. Good event.

Yes, I made the same comment, New Orleans is a wonderful city. They have 
a very small but bunch of excited kiters, it's too bad that the Stu of 
the Kite Loft, (responsible for the event) had his head stuck so far up 
his arse. I apologize to the local contestants and especially to all the 
contestants who traveled from Texas. But I cannot use the ranking from 
this event.

Several other out-of-town contestants are aware of this matter and agree 
that the points should not be considered. Some of the contestants were 
event organizers whom I helped just several months ago. Their event was 
a sucess. But don't believe me ask them yourself.

		Collette Ratajski (512) 729-2448
		Keith Anderson    (713) 641-7376

You may have noticed that I did not respond to Stu's last comments. I 
did this out of coursity to him. He had the right to rebut the review, 
although most incorrect. You did not help matters. But then again you 
really never have. I guess it's to be expected.

Mr.Nasty

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