Date:	Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:37:40 -1000
From:	rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard)
Message-Id: <kDG0wMbaAR1B088yn@login.dknet.dk>
Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten
Subject: Kiteski in seawater


Hi,

Does any of You have experience with the KITESKI system used in
sea-water for more than a single season? What parts does suffer?

I understand the cable for the brake on the control bar is not
stainless steel or teflon coated, and might be a problem? Has this
been the case for You?


See You on FAN0,
                                                      ______________
Rolf V. Oestergaard, Copenhagen, Denmark               \    /\    /
email: rolf@login.dknet.dk                               \/    \/


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Date:	Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:24:37 -1000
From:	johnsen@eskimo.com (Brian Johnsen)
Message-Id: <DJM752.KwJ@eskimo.com>
Organization: Tethered Airfoil R&D Pty. Ltd.(C)(R)(TM) CD CASS
Subject: Re: Kiteski in seawater

In article <kDG0wMbaAR1B088yn@login.dknet.dk>,
Rolf V. Oestergaard <rolf@login.dknet.dk> wrote:
>Does any of You have experience with the KITESKI system used in
>sea-water for more than a single season? What parts does suffer?
>
>I understand the cable for the brake on the control bar is not
>stainless steel or teflon coated, and might be a problem? Has this
>been the case for You?

  The Kiteski mechanical system is made of bicycle parts.  The disk
brake system has become very popular on newer tandem bicycles and any
local bike shop that sells and services tandems should be able to get
you replacement parts fairly easily.  Stainless steel is not a very
good material for bending and tensile strength.  The cables themselves
are very inexpensive, but as long as you use a fairly thick grease on them
before installation they should last a good while.  Just rinse the
whole thing with fresh water after a dip in the sea.  Bicyles are
fairly durable even in damp conditions.

  Hope I was able to help you out.  Say hi to Sus ;)
-- 
In Self Rightious Rage, Kite Flyer Mugs Eighty-Seven, Self
-- 
  Brian Johnsen   johnsen@eskimo.com   Seattle, Washington USA


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Date:	Fri, 15 Dec 1995 07:57:13 -1000
From:	rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard)
Message-Id: <5bb0wMbaABGQ088yn@login.dknet.dk>
Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten
Subject: Re: Kiteski in seawater

johnsen@eskimo.com (Brian Johnsen) wrote:
>  The Kiteski mechanical system is made of bicycle parts.  The disk
>brake system has become very popular on newer tandem bicycles and any
>local bike shop that sells and services tandems should be able to get
>you replacement parts fairly easily.  Stainless steel is not a very
>good material for bending and tensile strength.  The cables themselves
>are very inexpensive, but as long as you use a fairly thick grease on them
>before installation they should last a good while.  Just rinse the
>whole thing with fresh water after a dip in the sea.  Bicyles are
>fairly durable even in damp conditions.

Thanks for Your response. I guess the cable could be changed whenever
it gets too bad, but I look for someone with _real_ experience with
this stuff in sea-water. I know how different things behave, when
exposed to salty sea-water for periods of time. This is no problem for
those sailing on the Gorge, but I would be sailing in sea-water
only...

> Say hi to Sus ;)

Will do, thanks. BTW: I just received the "1995 Long Beach Kite Video"
in PAL - on the cover it says: "Largest & best kite fly in the
World!!!" I suppose that You would consider that for one of Your .sig
lines - about as true as any I have seen yet.... (best could be
argued, but largest?????????).

See You,
                                                      ______________
Rolf V. Oestergaard, Copenhagen, Denmark               \    /\    /
email: rolf@login.dknet.dk                               \/    \/


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Date:	Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:41:21 -1000
From:	daveculp@bdt.com (Dave Culp)
Message-Id: <daveculp-1812952341210001@daveculp.dial-up.bdt.com>
Organization: Beckemeyer Development, Oakland CA
Subject: Re: Kiteski in seawater

In article <5bb0wMbaABGQ088yn@login.dknet.dk>, rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf
V. Oestergaard) wrote:


> Thanks for Your response. I guess the cable could be changed whenever
> it gets too bad, but I look for someone with _real_ experience with
> this stuff in sea-water. I know how different things behave, when
> exposed to salty sea-water for periods of time. This is no problem for
> those sailing on the Gorge, but I would be sailing in sea-water
> only...

Cory (Roeseler, of Kiteski, not Corey Jensen) demos Kiteskis all the time
in sea water. He's also *totally* honest. Give him a call and ask him.
1-800-KITESKI. G'luck.

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312 Flaming Oak Drive   |
Pleasant Hill, CA 94596 |
http://www.bdt.com:80/home/daveculp/speedsail.html
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Date:	Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:35:20 -1000
From:	rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard)
Message-Id: <oja2wMbaAF5X088yn@login.dknet.dk>
Organization: DKnet / EUnet Denmark - Login Tjenesten
Subject: Re: Kiteski in seawater

daveculp@bdt.com (Dave Culp) wrote:
>Cory (Roeseler, of Kiteski, not Corey Jensen) demos Kiteskis all the time
>in sea water. He's also *totally* honest. Give him a call and ask him.
>1-800-KITESKI. G'luck.

Thanks for Your reply. I talked about the issue with Corey's co-worker
Randy, when he teached me to kiteski this summer. So I got a fairly
good idea about what Corey would say... That's exactly why I want a
second oppinion on the cable...

What I would like to get, is some other peoples experience with the
kiteski system in sea-water.

Unfortunately, it seems that no kiteskiers monitor r.k and/or are
willing to drop me a line about theri experience. It seem that the
kiteski system is not that widely used (by us computer-nerd types
anyway). I tried to set up a global usenet search, that triggers
everytime kiteski is mentioned on usenet - result: almost never, and
only on r.k, not on the waterski groups...

BTW: 1-800 numbers are valid in the US only! You know, there are other
places in the world.... like Europe.... You know, where FAN0 is
located...

Regards,
                                                      ______________
Rolf V. Oestergaard, Copenhagen, Denmark               \    /\    /
email: rolf@login.dknet.dk                               \/    \/


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Date:	Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:34:56 -1000
From:	andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie)
Message-Id: <DJyMu9.9n9@tug.com>
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation
Subject: Re: Kiteski in seawater

rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard) writes:
>I tried to set up a global usenet search, that triggers
>everytime kiteski is mentioned on usenet - result: almost never, and
>only on r.k, not on the waterski groups...
Did you try the FTP archive in Hawaii?

Try "mget *kiteski*" in the potpouri directory.  You should get 3 or 4 hits.

Doing this should uncover the following address:

kiteskiing@aol.com (KITESKIING)

Which may or may not be useful.

Real soon now, I'll tell you to use the full text index of the rec.kites
archive...

Andrew
-- 
http://www.kfs.org/kites is having some reliability problems.  We will
shortly be upgrading CPU, disk and OS to address this.
Don't post about splitting rec.kites.  Wait for the RFD and CFV.
Fancy stitches are for girls.  Real men use 5mm straight stitch only.


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Date:	Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:49:16 -1000
From:	samef@shout.net (Sam Francis)
Message-Id: <4bek6a$ie3@treflan.shout.net>
Organization: Shouting Ground Technologies
Subject: Re: Kiteski in seawater

rolf@login.dknet.dk (Rolf V. Oestergaard) wrote:
>What I would like to get, is some other peoples experience with the
>kiteski system in sea-water.

>Unfortunately, it seems that no kiteskiers monitor r.k and/or are
>willing to drop me a line about theri experience. It seem that the
>kiteski system is not that widely used (by us computer-nerd types
>anyway). I tried to set up a global usenet search, that triggers
>everytime kiteski is mentioned on usenet - result: almost never, and
>only on r.k, not on the waterski groups...

Rolf,
Ask jetskiers about cable care and feeding.  Wouldn't they know?  Also
I think you can get stainless cables made to size.  Look in the back
of a motorcycle magazine (customized bikes).
Sam 



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