Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:20:13 -1000 From: nordic@inetnebr.com (Dave) Message-Id: Organization: Nordic Software Subject: Should I build a Speedfoil, a Krypton S, or a Sputnik? Hello All, I have been itching to build a sparless kite. I am certain that I have good sewing skills. If not my wife sews for a living and should be able to bail me out. What I am trying to figure out is what to build. I have Stunt Kites and Stunt Kites II. I would like to make the Speedfoil from Stunt Kites but I have heard that the plan may have some problems and that it is a hard kite to build. Would I be better off building the Krypton-S from Stunt Kites II to start with? I know that they have different performance characteristics and I am not going to use them as traction kites. I just wanted to build a sparless hard pulling kite to see how it goes. Thanks Dave = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:58:40 -1000 From: miel@tref.nl (Emiel Stroeve) Message-Id: <4d2cg0$ana@news.bt.net> Organization: BTnet, BT Public Internet Service Subject: Re: Should I build a Speedfoil, a Krypton S, or a Sputnik? dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk (Andy Dingley) wrote: >nordic@inetnebr.com (Dave) wrote: >> (almost exactly the question I was about to post) Here's my contrib to this question: If you want to have speed, go for speedfoil. I don't think it's more difficult to build than the Sputnik or Krypton. But if you want to have power go for the larger Sputniks. The smaller sputniks have speed (not as much as the speedfoil). Another difference between the speedfoil and sputnik is stacking them, speedfoils can, sputnik can't be stacked (unless you want to do a *lot* of work). Finally if you deside to build the sput, check out my homepage, I've got a lot of sputnik-building-tips. >First thing - has anyone seen the FAQ lately ? rtfm.mit.edu doesn't >seem to know about this group and the Hawaii site seems to be busted >every time I try it. I understand the Sputnik 4 plan from Vol2 has >some corrections to it - if anyone has a copy of the relevant piece of >FAQ, then I'd much appreciate it. The corrections are available on several sites, the KFS, Peter Peters and my own homepage (link to PP). >I was thinking about a sparless kite too, something to fly around for >fun and maybe a _little_ dragging across fields 8-), but certainly not >a buggy engine. Most of the Vol 2 designs look far too big for this, >even the smallest Sputnik 4, so I was thinking about a Sputnik 3 (with >the winglets). How does this compare to the kites in Vol 1 ? The Sputnik 3 is a very critical design, this means that the design either flies or not flies at all. I think it's better to go for a small sputnik 4 in this case. emiel Emiel Stroeve The Netherlands miel@knoware.nl -------------------------------------------------------------- <<< http://www.euronet.nl/users/mielse/index.html >>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:43:51 -1000 From: dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk (Andy Dingley) Message-Id: <30f4631b.113469390@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: Codesmiths Software Development Ltd. Subject: Re: Should I build a Speedfoil, a Krypton S, or a Sputnik? nordic@inetnebr.com (Dave) wrote: > (almost exactly the question I was about to post) First thing - has anyone seen the FAQ lately ? rtfm.mit.edu doesn't seem to know about this group and the Hawaii site seems to be busted every time I try it. I understand the Sputnik 4 plan from Vol2 has some corrections to it - if anyone has a copy of the relevant piece of FAQ, then I'd much appreciate it. I was thinking about a sparless kite too, something to fly around for fun and maybe a _little_ dragging across fields 8-), but certainly not a buggy engine. Most of the Vol 2 designs look far too big for this, even the smallest Sputnik 4, so I was thinking about a Sputnik 3 (with the winglets). How does this compare to the kites in Vol 1 ? Thanks = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:01:28 -1000 From: andrewh@hal.harvard.edu (Andrew Hawken) Message-Id: <4d5818$l2v@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Queen Mary & Westfield College, London, UK Subject: Re: Should I build a Speedfoil, a Krypton S, or a Sputnik? I have made a Krypton S, and 5 & 10m Sputnik. The KryptonS is fast and furious fun, and packs to about the size of a coke can if you try hard. In a *lot* of wind it is almost too fast to fly, and the pull is tremendous, especially as it comes in bursts. However, for normal flying, it wont put up much of a fight. If you want a 'power' kite, go for one of the smaller Sputniks from vol2 (wasn't there a 0.8m with Sput3 profile?). Here is the error list. >From peterr@gds.nl Sat Sep 3 14:09:18 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 12:13:26 +0000 From: "P. Ruinard" bernhard.malle@dbag.ulm.DiamlerBenz.COM, kwarner@halcyon.com Subject: SKII errorlist ***************************************************************** * * * STUNT KITES II * * New Designs, Buggies and Boats. * * * ***************************************************************** Corrections and additions: First edition 22 august 1994 SPEEDWING: Page 64 Figure 1 29 cm should be 56 cm Page 65 Figure 3 2.5 cm should be 3 cm Page 67 Speedwing 3x1 aluminium ring: 32 cm from nose bridle clips: approx. 56 cm from hole on leading edge LA HEMBRA: Page 68 Figure 1 measurements D and E: 80 mm G1: 400 mm from A 880 mm should be 900 mm 882.5 mm should be 910 mm 240 mm should be 230 mm 23 mm should be 33 mm EL MACHO: Page 72 Figure 1 18 mm (lower left) should be 12 mm 33 mm (lower left) should be 37 mm G1: 530 mm from A KRYPTON-S: Page 76 Figure 1 36 mm (upper left) should be 26 mm SPUTNIK 4: Page 79 Figure 1 gauze fabric: 312 cm should be 472 cm Page 84 Figure 12 X and Y should be reversed Page 85 Figure 15 X and Y should be reversed Page 86 Figure 20 arc measurements missing: from top to bottom: 4, 11, 22, 37 and 57 cm ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is the erratum for the book STUNT KITES II New Designs, Buggies and Boats by Servaas van der Horst and Nop Velthuizen. This erratum is valid for the Dutch, English and German version of the book. I will also try to put this erratum on the tfp.hawaii.edu -- __ Andrew Hawken ________________________________________________________ a.hawken@qmw.ac.uk __ As far as I can make out, *I* am responsible?! __ andiih@micromuse.com ____________________________________________________ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:13:08 -1000 From: andrew@tug.com (Andrew Beattie) Message-Id: Organization: /usr/lib/news/organisation Subject: Re: Should I build a Speedfoil, a Krypton S, or a Sputnik? dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk (Andy Dingley) writes: >First thing - has anyone seen the FAQ lately ? They are at http://www.kfs.org/kites, in various degrees of up-to-dateness and conversion to HTML. Look under Reference. There are also pointers to mirrors of the Hawaii archive. Andrew -- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10[11]12 13 14*15*16*17*18*19*20 dreaming of El Mirage... 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:23:51 -1000 From: dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk (Andy Dingley) Message-Id: <30f67b20.40474495@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: Codesmiths Software Development Ltd. Subject: Re: Should I build a Speedfoil, a Krypton S, or a Sputnik? andrewh@hal (Andrew Hawken) wrote: >If you want a 'power' kite, go for one of the smaller >Sputniks from vol2 (wasn't there a 0.8m with Sput3 profile?). It's not a "power" kite that I want. I was thinking about a Sputnik 3, but would you recommend the Krypton instead ? >Here is the error list. I purchased my Volume 2 last week. It appears to have these errors fixed. Anyone have a good source for gauze ? What's it normally described as in fabric shops ? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =