Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 22:31:57 -1000 From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) Message-Id: <1993Jun4.083157.20562@nic.funet.fi> Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET Subject: softISH judging (was: ECSLC, Team High Performance & Judging) In <9306031824.AA19519@stuntkite.EBay.Sun.COM> Darrin.Skinner@ebay.sun.com (Darrin Skinner) writes: >I talked with the 'head judge' of MTP (not the 'head judge of the whole >weekend) and Viv confirmed to me that he did tell HP that the right (pit area) >boundry was "softish" (yes, softISH is exactly the word used). At that time >there was no line judge watching the pit area line. The judges were quite >supprised when a line judge came up to them AFTER HP flew and told them >about the red flag on the softish boundry. I am still waiting for my copy of 93 rule book, but I am sure it does not know anything like "softish boundary". It's difficult to imagine the reason for that kind of "creativity" by head judge. But it's not first time Viv implements unnecessary innovations in the middle of competition. Did the line judge know about "softish boundary"? Did _anybody_ see the red flag when it was supposed to be flown? >-] The teams who >-] were in the pit were also told that the line between the pit and the >-] field would now become a "hard boundary". >In my opinion this is where the judges screwed up. If they had told >all the other teams that the line between the pit and the field was >a soft boundry, then all the teams would have been flying under the >same conditions and everything would have been status-quo. What is a "soft boundary"? Just the _flyer_ have to stay inside? If my kite first crosses the soft boundary can it then cross the imaginary continuation line of hard boundary, without "violating safety"? Smooth Winds & Precise Boundaries & Fair Judging Simo Salanne = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 02:30:15 -1000 From: sasaki@das.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) Message-Id: <1993Jun4.123015.16913@das.harvard.edu> Organization: Harvard University Subject: Re: softISH judging (was: ECSLC, Team High Performance & Judging) In article <1993Jun4.083157.20562@nic.funet.fi>, salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne) writes: >Did the line judge know about "softish boundary"? Did _anybody_ see >the red flag when it was supposed to be flown? Well, some of the folks who were in the pit saw the red flag. I was watching the kites, and didn't see the flag, but someone standing right next to me asked me whether I had seen the red flag. I was surprised that HP had flown out and asked him if he was sure. He said that he was sure and several others saw it as well. It isn't unusual for the judges and flyers not to see a flag, everyone is concentrating on the kites so much that it often has to be brought to the attention of the judges. >What is a "soft boundary"? Just the _flyer_ have to stay inside? >If my kite first crosses the soft boundary can it then cross the >imaginary continuation line of hard boundary, without "violating >safety"? Obviously there is no definition of a soft boundary. I've been told that many European and Japanese events give the line judges whistles which they are instructed to blow when a kite gets near a boundary. This would definitely help flyers, especially teams, avoid these sorts of problems... -- Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications sasaki@noc.harvard.edu Network Services Division 26 Green Street 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 10:08:51 -1000 From: Darrin.Skinner@ebay.sun.com (Darrin Skinner) Message-Id: <9306042008.AA20717@stuntkite.EBay.Sun.COM> Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Subject: Re: softISH judging (was: ECSLC, Team High Performance & Judging) Simo Salanne (salanne@convex.csc.FI) writes: -] -] Did the line judge know about "softish boundary"? Did _anybody_ see -] the red flag when it was supposed to be flown? -] No the line judge did not know about the soft boundary. Remember that there was NO line judge on that line when the soft boundary idea took form. The line judge (doing the job quite well!) moved to adjust for the new wind direction. Much to the suprise of the judges.! -] -] What is a "soft boundary"? Just the _flyer_ have to stay inside? -] If my kite first crosses the soft boundary can it then cross the -] imaginary continuation line of hard boundary, without "violating -] safety"? -] Usually a soft boundry means that the kites can fly over the boundry when at a reasonable (i.e. safe) altitude. If the kite lands over the boundry line or hits a pole, flag, person, etc that is outside the field THEN the flyer/team would be DQ'd. A soft boundry is usually call only when the conditions (i.e. no people on that side of the field) permit. Under many circumstances it is perfectly acceptable (Once again) as long as all the flyers/teams are permitted the soft boundry. Darrin = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =